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Come What May is not impressive. Not only is the premise wrong, that we need to "reverse" Roe v. Wade, but the movie doesn't get to the point until practically the last minute. Then it goes by so fast that you have to back it up and listen again. It's filled with all sorts of drivel about a budding relationship between the two main characters. The relationship is a disastrous example of courtship. The young man apparently proposes to the dad, as the young woman comes out after talking with her dad on the phone with a huge smile and states, "He said "yes""!
We don't need to reverse Roe, we need to ignore it. www.ignoreroe.com
Yes, I agree that anyone pro-life should be allowed to march BUT to march under such a banner shoudl not be allowed because...
the Truth states (although many of you may not consider this the Truth) that to kill an innocent is a sin, and a person has a soul after conception THUS to kill a baby after conception is a Mortal Sin eg would entitle you for a one-way ticket to hell.
To be homosexual is to treat a man or woman as the opposite sex by attepting to have sexual relations with them (strictly speaking they are not having sex as this can only be done between a man and woman.) Thus to be homosexual is a Mortal Sin as described above.
SO... for one person who is publicly affronting God's laws by stating 'I'm gay and think it's ok.' should not march in a Pro Life Rally becasue it appears that others in the march accept gay is ok - which it is NOT.
I have sined, we all have, but I do not claim that my sins are not sins, or that they are acceptable. I acknowlege my wrongdoings, the homosexuals are trying to justify thiers. A pro life March is not the place.
Steve, if it makes you feel any better, I really would not want to stand side by side with someone who says the things you have just said.
Really.
This is a free country, and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, however, why should homosexuals be banned from marching? Comparing a homosexual to a pedophile or a murderer is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of in my life. Pedophiles and murderers HURT people. Some of my good friends (and family) are homosexuals, and are the most kind-hearted people I have ever met, and I would never have them any other way. Homosexuals don't ridicule us for being straight! Why not just let people be themselves, and love someone for who they are? They want to march for a wonderful purpose, and the more people to care about these children, the better.
Yes they should.
There are children being murdered as we speak. We do not even have one second to spare.
Steve Sanborn, you should note that in my previous post, I said: "I will agree that homosexuals should not be using the march to promote their own agenda (i.e. a distracting banner), but they should be allowed to march if they are prolife."
I agree with you about being a sinner versus "celebrating" sin, and so I also agree that a banner supporting the homosexual cause is inappropriate for a prolife march. All banners and posters in a prolife march should pertain to the rights and personhood of the unborn!
That being said, there is a mean-spirited attitude showing through in the tone of your posts. Remember, Jesus came "full of grace and truth" (John 1:14).
You may have the truth, Steve, but you are lacking in grace.
Bekah,
Sinless? It's obvious that I do not assert or believe only the sinless should march. Stretch your conclusions elsewhere...
Several people posting here are forgetting that there is a stark difference between sinning and celebrating sin.
Bekah, et al, do you support fornication or fornicators? What about alchoholism or idolatry? How about pedophiles?
Are you really sitting there telling me that you don't see the difference between a person marching as a person and one who celebrates his sin by proudly holding up a banner that promotes it? Are you mad?
So, we'll invite the Pedophiles for Life to march proudly with their banner next year - scandalizing good people who live the laws of God. Never mind the blasphemy and scandal...never mind the offense to God... we'll all sinners... right? You just want to pretend that that banner over their heads isn't really there right?
I'll say it again. Sodomy is a sin which cries to Heaven for vengeance... as does murder. So we'll march against one of these sins and accept the other... or at least you will.
If you want to work with those who put their middle finger up to God... to achieve a Godly end, you're simply going to fail.
Have the alcoholic, have the adulterer, have any sinner you want. But don't you think for one second that their celebration of their sin at the March for Life or any such gathering, will ever be accepted.
Steve Sanborn
No we don't have to be totally sinless but we have to be totally forgiven. We can not bring an offering to a Holy God until we have been totally washed in the sinless blood of God's only son. Then you can and will do it all for the Glory of God who made these beautiful children.
I agree 100% with Bekah. I've personally met the president of PLAGAL, as my college pro-life group hosted her as a speaker. She is just as dedicated to the right to life as any straight activist. Her presence enhances the strength and unity of the March.
Steve, I respectfully disagree with your statement that the pro-life movement is an extension of Catholicism. The Catholic Church as an *institution* has the courage to take a strong stand on life, and we of course appreciate their contribution. But *individual* pro-lifers come from all faiths, and we are foolish to alienate non-Christians.
I hope that all of you, especially Pro-life atheist, will check out my site: secularprolife.org
Have a great day,
Kelsey
Nobody has the right to force their beliefs down anyone elses throat. It was not a country who attacked the United States. It was a group of people that resides in that country. The reason the United States was attacked is because of the heritics who constantly force their ideals down the throats of other countries. If the United States stops having this attitude then people in other countries won't feel compelled to attack the United States.
Steve said: "What a big, ugly, twisted example of Cain's offering this would be..."
So, now we all must be perfectly sinless before we can march for the rights of preborn children? Besides, it goes without saying that Satanists would not be prolife. But homosexuals and atheists sometimes are. So are fornicators, adulterers, alcoholics, idolators, etc., etc. We are ALL sinners. Sure, you could make an argument about unrepentant sinners vs. redemptive sinners, but I honestly feel that's beside the point: which is are the unborn persons deserving of equal human rights? I will agree that homosexuals should not be using the march to promote their own agenda (i.e. a distracting banner), but they should be allowed to march if they are prolife.
(On a side note, I resent anyone claiming the prolife cause to be inseparable from Catholicism. Protestant Christians are just as prolife as Catholics.)
But like I said, the prolife messsage needs to be embraced by *all* people groups before we will ever become a prolife nation.
In Luke chapter 9 it says:
49"Master," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us."
50"Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."
Anyone who stands for life should be allowed to march ... are we not all sinners?
Anyone, regardless of who they are, who says life begins at conception and ought to be considered sacred and completely protected, would be correct.
However, not all "special interest groups" are created equal. The Pro-life cause is an extension of Christianity... period (specifically Catholicism). The sacredness of human life is not the only Christian principle represented at the March for Life. This organization and effort is a Catholic one and everyone knows it.
It's not to say people with other religious beliefs aren't welcome... they are - and gladly. At the very least, we agree on a natural principle regarding the sanctity of human life.
But the above question makes me ask whether we should allow the "Catholic Bashers For Life" to join the March with their banner...
Sodomy (of any sort) is an affront to God. It cries out to Heaven for vengeance. Does someone out there really expect a Catholic to deny this? Can I march with those who believe babies are beautiful but who also publicly profess that it's ok for for them to have 2 daddies or mommies?
How about Satanists for Life, or Bank Robbers for Life? Can they join?
Can anyone make a true appeal to God for the end of evil by accepting, AND MARCHING WITH, evil on "other" fronts?
What a big, ugly, twisted example of Cain's offering this would be...
Steve Sanborn
Of course they should be allowed to march! This is about equal human rights for preborn children. All other aspects of human rights are not limited to Christianity and neither should the rights of preborn children. And why single out lesbians and homosexuals? There are prolife atheists laboring for the cause as well. The prolife messsage needs to be embraced by *all* people groups before we will ever become a prolife nation.
when I became an advocate for life it was because I became a Christian. And it wasn't till
God revealed it to me and the conviction from the Holy Spirit sealed it in my heart. The homosexual movement as they call it, even though prolife are sinners that need to be saved by grace therefore I would like to see a banner that says repented lesbian and homosexual for life.
I cannot believe this pro-choice man who seems hard-hearted about killing babies can be OUR president. Have the American people become so gullible to think for themselves and research his voting record. Yet, Media portrays him as such a good father. Where would he be if his mother chose to abort him instead of carrying him to term? How ungrateful can a man be, is he so into himself and thinks he is GOD? He too will eventually have to stand before God on judgment day. He needs our prayers, God says pray for your enemies and President Obama is an enemy of pre-borm babies. I am not proud of this Presiedent at all. SORRY!
It's March for Life, not March for Straights.
The entire March for Life is made up of "special-interest groups." Unless we want to further relegate the pro-life movement to the conservative/religious segment of the population, then we must be open to allowing all who are with us join in the March.
Moderator please do something about the bottom feeding scum using this site for advertisting his loan sharking site. And nice try, "TYF," there is no poverpopulation crisis. That was just propaganda thought up by the underground eugenicists behind abortion and euthenasia.
Animal abuse is terrible, but sadly this story demonstrates that animals have become humanized and are given more protections than ACTUAL human being who are not given any protections and are dehumanized and classified as non humans (merely because they are in utero). Very sad indeed!!!
Dear Pastor Hoye,
I am so sorry I missed you when you came to visit. I understand you will be going before a judge on June 19th. Our prayers are with you. You have been a powerful voice and soldier. I know our LORD will speak loud and clear to you and tell you what should be your next step. All of God's blessings on you.
For Life!
Kathy
Jon, there are crisis pregnancy centers around the country that actually do help people during and beyond their pregnancy. They will also arrange adoptions. People are willing to take disabled babies. However, some pro-abortion politicians have had a crusade against crisis pregnancy centers. I'm not sure why as these offer compassionate solutions and answer the rhetoric that pro-abortion types use against pro-lifers. But maybe it's got to do with the fact that the abortion industry donates to pro-abortion politicians and CPCs "compete" with the abortion industry. Plus, having CPCs around puts the lie to the claim that pro-lifers don't care about babies after they are born.
One example of a politician on a crusade to protect his financial benefactors was disgraced ex-NY governor Eliot Spitzer. During his days as attorney general, he tried to shut down a group of crisis pregnancy centers. Thanks be to God, he lost in court. He never touched the issue after that. If the CPCs were supposedly doing something wrong, surely Spitzer (as AG at the time) would have appealed.
Too many citizens have sat by while millions of babies have been killed by abortionists AND while hundreds of their mothers have also been killed by so-called 'safe & legal' abortion.
Some citizens think just because of slogans that claim abortion is a women's issue, or a woman's private choice, that they are not in any way responsible for those deaths.
But in a society where we have both the right and the responsibility to vote, to petition, and to use our freedom of speech, we are all responsible for the current legal statis of abortion.
Most citizens already oppose most of what abortionists are doing. Apparently most citizens must assume they aren't personally responsible for the legal status of abortion being what it is.
That isn't the way the history books will remember it. The citizens of Nazi Germany risked being killed if they spoke up against the Nazi holocaust against the Jews; the citizens of the US have both a right and a responsibility to vote, petition, and speak up against the abortion holocaust that has been going on in our nation for almost 4 decades now.
Sign the petition to stop Sotomayor's appointment to the US Supreme Court.
If you do not do what you can to stop her appointment then you can't really claim you are not responsible for the pro-abort court decisions she will impose on our nation.
The fix is in. You have no chance of stopping her confirmation, and she'll be a great "choice". LOL.
Move on to your next 'lost cause'.
Great innovation is made to prolong life!Socialized medicine is a controversial issue. A lot of people are quite vocal opponents of socialized medicine, and it isn't without merit. There is an online petition going around at freeourhealthcarenow.com, which seeks to petition President Obama not to put forth any measures whatsoever for universal health care, and a lot of people would give an instant payday loan to make certain of it. It's a tricky issue – the Veterans Administration is public funded health care – as many feel that private insurance and play or pay is the way to go. HMO CEOs getting rich is a national priority, certainly more so than our children, which is why it's worth an online cash advance to steer clear of socialized medicine.
I think the abortion is related to crisis, its just because overpopulation may result to insufficient fund for the family. On other hand, abortion is an immoral act.The financial crunch has put a hurting on many industries and millions of people, and the lessons to be learned for the future are legion. There are now record numbers of people running for payday loans because of unreliable banks during the financial crisis. Read more click http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2009/05/31/financial-crisis-taught-payday-loans/
A very insightful post. We must never forget that even the elderly and infirm are still human beings, and that we are responsible for them. Assisted suicide could easily become a way to duck such responsiblity.
Beautifully written article.It highlights many of the dangerous avenues that legalizing assisted suicide can lead to.
If you and all the other people that are pro life are going to take care of all the unwanted babies then create an organization for couple who want "human beings" that were created by violent rapes,infants with high level of deformaties, severe mental illness that they will have low quality of life. not homes to throw them in to get them away from society. young couples who want to have children but can't and will take these "human beings". When there is an organization that does this maybe abortions should stop but until then let them do their job.
Dr. Chervin's comment is very encouraging. Even pro-aborts point out (including Denver's former prosecutor Craig Silverman on his daily KHOW radio show) that if pro-lifers believed the baby is a human being, we'd act consistent with the conclusion that the killing is a murder. Also, activists often get no valid answer when they ask why it's justifiable to use lethal force to protect a child in a park against a would-be killer, but it's not OK against an abortionist.
Many people may have a hard time identifying the factors that define the threshold between self-defense and vigilantism. The ARTL worksheet identifies two simple factors, and explains how to use them to make that vital differentiation. Along with so many other reference works on AmericanRTL.org, this worksheet is a valuable tool to pro-life ministry.
OK so here's the thing I want to know -
According to the pro-choice version of feminism how many of the lives of women and babies does it take to come anywhere near the value of the life of one man? In over 3 1/2 decades only a few male abortionists have lost their lives for the cause of 'abortion rights' and 'free sex' but thousands of totally innocent babies per day have been killed PLUS houndreds of women have been killed BY abortionists. Add to that all the pregnant women who've been killed by their male mates because they refused to 'choose abortion on demand' (um HIS demand).
So once in a very great while, on very rare occasion, like only once or twice a decade,
a male abortionists gets killed and THEN (and only then?) it's treated as some huge tragedy?
So, I want to know how that is supposedly 'pro-woman'?
Thousands of babies killed BY abortionists, hundreds of women killed BY abortionists,
a major risk of death to pregnant women is being killed by their male partner because HE wants her to 'choose' abortion (OR ELSE!)...
but all that is supposedly OK, supposedly for 'feminist' reasons, not newsworthy...
BUT when a male abortionist gets killed it gets national media attention?
Why? Is it because some still harbor that outdated notion that the lives of women and children have little to no value compared to the life of even one man?
I want to add that the American Cancer Assoc., refuses to accept the linkage with abortion and breast cancer. Please also note the connection with hormonal contraceptives and breast cancer. I spoke to both people from Susan G. Komen ( spoke to S.Kodel in Little Rock,AR) Foundation, and the American Cancer Assoc., both refuse to acknowledge the work done by the Breast Cancer Institute. The research done by the Breast Cancer Institute is all peer reviewed, and have written entensively on the connection of breast cancer and abortion, as well as hormonal contraceptives. This organization needs to be getting the money that is going to Susan G. Komen Founadtion. Whenever, whereever possible make the TRUTH known to the public. Thsnk You
Well, R.A., you appear unable to distinguish between a mentally ill individual who affiliated themselves with a cause and then committed a violent act, and all the other people who are committed to the cause who operate within the framework of the law.
Shall I dismiss all "pro-choice" people in the same manner you have dismissed me? You don't even know me; yet you have dismissed me as "one of them."
Think about it; really think about what you wrote and the implications of that.
I understand the reasoning behind the "pro-choice" [better termed pro-infanticide] movement; and having that understanding, disagree with it. Which is why I will continue to work **within the legal framework** for change to protect the unborn.
Cheers; hope you are able, one day, to distinguish between those who are legal, and those who are deranged; between those who understand and disagree, and those who are ignorant.
RA,
... always refreshing to hear a nonjudgemental, unbiased opinion from an openminded source.
Do you have to be a Christian to believe that it is wrong to murder 60,000 innocent babies?
If killing is not the solution to the problem of unplanned pregnancy, how can it be the solution to the problem of abortion?
The person who committed this murder is a disgrace to the prolife movement. He is actually the best friend that the prochoice movement has, because he and others of his ilk give them ammunition to use against us.
Let us all encourage others to NEVER be violent when being pro life. Pro abotion people are 99% of the time NOT cruel, NOT murderous, they don't think 'yes, let's kill a baby.' Pro abortion men and women are pro abotion because they think it 'helps' the woman, they do it out of love and respect, and ignorace of the truth.
I think we are united in our belief of non violence. I go a step further. I believe in non-provacative actions. Do not say, or act or show images which may proke violence. I am not a coward - I want to change hearts, change minds, and change the laws. If you attack someone, it strengths their idea or opinion.
Dr Tiller was shot once before, perhaps if that person had spoken with him, been caring and respectful... Dr tiller may have changed his heart. Causing violence is not Christian... and it is not God's plan. We can be sure of that.
Rolf, you are so beyond the right here. Abortion is not an answer to prevent poverty in the life of the child. There are adoption lists filled with viable parents that want children that can support them. Abortion is only a viable option when the baby has a problem with it that might affect its life long situation. I support abortion until the baby is viable to live outside of the womb on its own. Past that point it is simply murder.
The world is just fine. The problem is you people fail to realize that condemning torture AND condemning vigilantism is the SAME THING. This is the United States of America, we have a long history of priding ourselves on ideals that have made us stronger and possibly better than countries with lesser ideals. When we turn against our ideals, we erode our own social fabric.
That being said, this doctor should not have been killed. This doctor was despicable and should not have been able to hide behind the banner of reproductive rights. The problems are that RvW is a ridiculous ruling that is to broad ranging and shouldn't even exist at the federal level (abortion is a state issue not a national one).
While I support abortion before the baby is viable to survive on its own, I believe that once the baby is able to survive on its own it stops being a fetus subject to abortion and starts being a baby that is MURDERED not aborted when the life is ended.
Murdering a late term baby because of a social undesirability is GENOCIDE (so people that do it are no better than Hitler), and murdering a late term baby because the life of the mother might be in jeopardy doesn't say much for the mother in question. As a mother, you should be willing to risk your life EVERY DAY for your child.
Greetings to all, and God Bless!
I have never had any opinion on the abortion issue. The only problem I have ever had was the over zealousness of the opponents words and actions. Hmm. I guess all you anti-choice people just can't be trusted. In my eyes, it's as if you all pulled the trigger yourselves.
I'm sorry I am not able to separate this as a different issue, you all collectively do not appear to be the "good guys" any more.
I was taught that God hates sin, not the sinner. I believe if you hate abortions, don't get in line for one. If you hate gay marriage, don't marry a gay person! Seems simple enough for me?
Good luck convincing me or the rest of the world with any of your radical, KKK-ish bullying!
Finally, my heart goes out to Dr. Tiller's family, and his church family, for having such a horrid act done, by such horrid people.
Jesus,
Died for all, He even died for Barabas, the Murderer, whose place he took, He an innocent Lamb, died for a Murderer. We cannot play God.
That was and is the Sin of Satan.
I can only imagine that the man who shot Tiller was acting under his version of beliefs being fed to him by his religion and whatever media outlets that may have coincided with those religious beliefs.
In my opinion; he acted no differently that an Al Qaeda follower or suicide bomber might have acted.
Ironically, this does nothing to promote the so-called "Pro-Life" movement.
Whether you believe in a woman's right to choose or not; this is not the answer.
Dawn Johnsen and Obama both have proved now that though, maybe, they "could" save our nation, they won't. Ignoring all God is and has been telling this nation never worked for the nation He chose to use as His teaching tool on us all, Israel. The Bible is all written down. No matter what version one uses. Cause and effect is all in there. Do we call it conscription when we garnish mens paychecks for child support because they couldn't be responsible after sex? No. Oh no, that's not slavery. But bringing out the consequences of sex for the female is slavery? Oh, it impedes her lifestyle some for 9 months. Is it slavery when a gay gets AIDS directly from risky sex? Or is it consequences? Sure some get all these things without chosing sinful lifestyles. There are innocent victims. But is it slavery when someone is disabled by a drunk driver? These people forget that God made laws. And no man made law can compete with His. God's Word rose from that grave. Jesus was only dead three days. He rose in full power. Gov. Palin would do well to take all these things and try and save what she can, Alaska. Because the USA is going down. Obama picking a women like this proves he's not going to save it. He hasn't a clue who's really in charge. The Creator of the Universe is.
Not all babies had a bleak prognoises. Some were aborted beacuse they had no where else to go. Convience abortions, if you will.
Do you have contempt for the countless lives he had taken?
No, I am not sad that this evil monster was killed. I view it as one less baby murdered today at his clinic. I don't understand what kind of church welcomes a man like that? Is the word of God really being preached there, or is simply a social club for misfits?
I condemn the actions of this man. I don't know if he claimed to be a pro-lifer. His actions show he is not.
Hey tennmom, the baby u killed as well as the one's tiller and carhart killed were living human beings some of them born alive like u and tiller...
think before u blog!
"A Free Mason killed someone - all Free Masons are killers".
This analogy might well have substance when one considers motive. It is possible that a Free Mason as someone in business could have more reason than others to commit such a crime.
Murder doesn't just 'happen'.
Reading these comments has only served to affirm the reasons why I no longer identify with those who call themselves Christians. Your Christianity bears no resemblance to the lessons Christ taught, and your celebration of Dr. Tiller's murder illustrates what true Christians have known all along: You have misrepresented yourselves. You are not pro-life; you are anti-choice. Your radical rhetoric has prompted the taking of one life (Dr. Tiller,) while almost guaranteeing the death of another (his murderer.) But who cares about the deaths of two living, breathing human beings when there are organisms to be saved?