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Interesting points,
I will mention this though. Roe is a federal government takeover of the abortion question. It forces people to make the proposition that nearly abortion on demand will exist. Roe complicates matters of abortion, it creates agitation, and it never radically decreased abortions at all. Also, we disagree on the view of choice as it relates to abortion. YOu believe Roe fulfills choices. I believe Roe eliminates choices, because abortion ends the choices that babies can make in life. I believe in making abortion a social problem. Yet, in certain times in history, many moral questions were answered in the political arena as you realize. For example, in the civil rights movement, people were getting assaulted, etc. Later, laws were created to try to stop oppression against human beings based on their skin color. These laws relate directly to moral issues.
If you are a single issue voter then you wear blinders.
I think that the U.S. will praise bush for the grat job he did. He
1) got us into a god foresaken was
2) we ar in trillions of dollars in dept
3) and we are loding industry
Wow he was truly an extrodanary man.
Also mnotaro Its sad you feel that way. I dont se a division considering that Oboma gives so many people hope.
We control the house, We control the Senate, we control the presidency and thats the way it will be for the next four years.
Better luck next time.
Thanks Tim,
We should not eliminate roe, women should have a choice if you want women to choose life then you need to make it a social problem rather that a polotical problem.
Example drinking and smoking was acceptable by children in the 1920's. Now because we know the consiquence sof those actions it is unacceptable for a minor too drink or smoke.
JM's speech was touching. Did you notice how when he said Barrak Obamas name they booed and When Oboma mentioned McCains name they cheered.
Tim, very good point.
I am Morraly apposed to nuclear warefare, but if a country was going to invade us us then I might be for a destruction of a country or city. It is circumstantial.
Thanks for the comments.
Unfortunately, there is a law legalizing abortion for almost any reason. It's called Roe v. Wade. Roe v. Wade imposes its morality on the populace without decreasing radically the number of abortions in America. It was only via some pro-life laws in the 1980's and the 1990's that you have seen a slight decrease in abortions inside of America. Laws enforcing morality have existed for thousands of years. Even the Bill of Rights have rules that impose morality in dealing with religion, free speech, etc. I certainly don't agree with imposing abortion on women in the federal level. Imposing destruction is the epitome of Roe, so eliminating Roe is one out of many logical solutions to get beyond the agitation in dealing with the abortion issue. Abortion isn't the only issue that should be discussed. You are right on that point.
Tim,
Abortion is sad, and I want people to chose life but I dont want a law banning it. Who am I to enforce my views on others.
There will always be that everlasting battle between pro life and pro choice . So the reasoning behind voting pro choice is somewhat illogical.
Thanks for responding calmly
Annie B,
I am not libral nor ignirant. I just believe that Sarah palin was a desparate attempt to win votes, she beaty pagent waved, and gave canned answers Also. you dont have to bite my head off. Really, how dare I have a contridictory view this must mean that I am.
A) Corrupted by Barrah Oboma
B) Ignorant
C) Uneducated
d) Born in anti america, which means I am not like you, or others who share your beliefs.
or E) all of the above.
F Y I Not everyone thinks and feels the same way that you do.
Well
I skimmed this argument and would like to put it blatently that just because you are democrat, does not mean that you are immoral.
Republicans do not care fot the pore
are not stewards of the earth
and are against peace
SO vote pro life even if the canidate is adolph reencarniate. (John McCain was not, I somewhat liked him)
Quit compromising the moral, intellectual and legal basis for the pro-life movement, Jill, and we'll have unity.
The finest wine, mixed with lethal poison, is poison.
Wow, anyone else here think that maybe the left wing illuminati are obviously feeling SO very threatened by Gov Palin that they have nothing else better to do then continuing on with the media attack of her?! All you hear about is how Palin brought McCain down, and gave him the loss. It sure is good seeing people going to the media to FINALLY stand up for Palin. She has been ran over by the media and hacked to pieces and it's really getting old. When will the liberals be ready to move on? Obamatrons--find something else to do--something positive even! Or is that impossible for you?!
Such intelligence....but then I wonder why in the world can't we go back to the days when you had to be a landowner to vote! Maybe we wouldn't have this problem and be faced with the liberal illuminati running our country!
Obama and Biden both agree with girls UNDER the age of 18 getting abortions WITHOUT parental consent. Democrats and the liberal illuminati are ruining our family values and morals and taking away our parental control and rights over our own children and putting our children's safety into question on top of it all!
Wayne,
Thanks! If you don't mind, I cross-posted your comment on my blog: http://dontdrinkthekingswine.com I want to direct as many people as is possible to Blog Watch.
I've posted a link to this article BlogWatch: Unborn Life; if we do not do due diligence on the words we use, the words can be twisted to say something different. While twisting the words does not end the debate ... it does prolong it, confuse the issue, distract. If our argument is the truth, wrong words allow the confusion.
So, John, you think the scientists comprising England's "national academy of science" are funny and "rediculous" [sic]? You didn't even bother to read the study, did you? We don't make this stuff up. We don't have to. And a scientific journal put out by such scientific academies doesn't have their scientific peers review articles, then publish them after they pass scientific muster, if it's really just so "funny" and "rediculous."
I am a volunteer, teacher and board member at a CareNet Pregnancy Center. We never use coercion. It is explicitly stated in our rules and training and is repeated often. It is possible that some centers coerce but I am highly skeptical of those charges.
Planned Parenthood, on the other hand, is well documented for their deceptions, such as the 90% of clinics caught on tape hiding statutory rapes.
Just to point out that Crisis Prengnancy Centers, which I would argue use coercive tactics, are also found in the poorest, more marginalized areas in the country.
I volunteered at a Planned Parenthood clinic and any woman expressing any discomfort or doubt about her abortion procedure was not operated on. There was nothing coercive about the procedure, and I watched it from beginning to end.
The absolutist position is immoral. It would sacrifice the 99% who can be saved because of the 1% who cannot be saved.
Unbelievable. You folks still have your heads in the sand about what you've just done.
John, Article I of the Constitution states that "The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote, unless they be equally divided."
It's been much discussed in the blogosphere (where have you been?) but of course not on the "skews" media upon which you rely that the VP is "responsible for maintaining order in the senate and casting a tie-breaking vote so...yeah, she's actually correct in that regard." LOTS of people seem to know this. Not you, though. Again making the very point this poll makes.
According to an ABC article, "The vice president can also preside over floor debate in the Senate -- a role usually filled by the Senate president pro tempore, and more often done by first-term senators."
And isn't it interesting that when Joe Biden also said that he, as also reported by that same ABC story, "would seek to use his role as vice president to work actively with the Senate," not one Obama supporter has any. problem. with. that. whatsoever.
She explained her statement and what the Constitution allows the VP to do in much the same terms as Biden described. You don't know that either.
She misused the words "in charge" when she should have said "is President of the Senate."
But I'd take that any day over a blatant, lying two-time plagiarist. It's clear you take the plagiarist who has no integrity.
reality, sadly, you are professing your ignorance. You bought and quoted BO's party line hook, line and sinker (right from the "anti-Obama smears" playbook of David Axelrod). One more time, slowly: it isn't a smear if it's true, and it all is true. Did you miss all the times we showed you how Obama has lied or withheld the truth to you here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, AND
here?
Wow, the Democrats sure did a terrible job of educating their voters and telling them the truth about who they really just chose for President! Maybe they should try harder next time. Oh, that's right, they won't. Because it won them the White House.
Heads in the sand, heads in the sand.
Yes, words matter a lot. Pro-legalized abortion folks rarely complete their sentences. I always want to ask, "Pro-choice to do what?"
Then there is the "anti-choice" label they use on us. Anti-choice to what?
Anti-school choice?
Anti-choice of parents to know if their children are receiving birth control at school?
Anti-choice of parents to know if their children are having an abortion, which involves great physical and mental risks to their daughters in addition to destroying their grandchildren?
Anti-choice to own guns?
Anti-choice of the unborn to determine if they can live?
Anti-choice for secret union ballots?
Anti-choice to access conservative radio shows?
Anti-choice to teach the flaws of Darwinian evolutionary theory?
Oh, you mean anti-choice to crush and dismember innocent human beings (regular abortions) or anti-choice to stick a sharp instrument in a baby's head and suck out her brains (partial-birth abortions, aka infanticide) or anti-choice to let born-alive abortion surviving babies die in closets (the method of infanticide protected by Barack Obama).
I'm not ashamed to be anti-choice, if that's what they mean.
Some are just plain ignorant.
In 2004 a group named Catalog for Philanthropy arranged the 50 US states in order of their charitable generosity.
http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.php?year=2004
Someone else noticed that none of the states in the top half went for John Kerry. Every state that went for Kerry was below average.
Take a look at the states that switched from Republican to Dem this time and you'll find that they were Bush's least generous states. (There were a few exceptions. Arizona and Alaska stayed Rep. NC and FL went Dem this time. While they weren't at the bottom of Bush's states, NC and FL were in the lower half.)
If you want to find Republicans look in generous states. If you want to find Democrats look in cheap ones.
According to the Constitution, the Vice President is the "President of the Senate."
Sarah Palin is far more qualified to be Vice President than BO is to be President.
Hillary Clinton said many times that he was unqualified. Joe Biden said of BO that the White House was no place for "on the job training."
BO thinks it is unconstitutional to require a doctor to save the life of a baby if her mommy wants her dead, the constitutional right to a dead baby.
I'm not a Republican or Democrat, but even I know those statements are wrong.
Many Republicans care for the poor, but advance more free market solutions to help the poor. Tons of Republicans like Ron Paul are for diplomacy. Most Republicans hate pollution, but reject environmental extremism. Also, abortion destroys choice. Roe is a ruling that forces the abortion issue unto the American people. It shoves a certain view down the throats of Americans. Have views? The Constitution is the epitome of forcing morality down in America. There is nothing wrong with laws dealing with or are related with morality at all. If someone says, I'm morally opposed to slavery, but it fine for it to continue under certain circumstances, you're still pro-slavery. Therefore, the pro-choice definition is morally confusing.
Abortion is an important issue for many reasons. If it weren't for Roe v. Wade, you wouldn't see the agitation we see now. Pro-Life people have every right to expose abortion for what it is.
THis is the funniest most rediculous thig I have ever heard. This should be on Saturday Night LIve.
Abortion is not the most important issue. If you agree with Oboma whole heartedly, why not vote for him.
If there were two canidates left and one was an astounding bright man who had great views that appealed to both parties, but was pro choice and a man who chose a terrible VP wanted to solve everything with war was not for the middle class but was pro life who would you vote for.
Even thought the second canidate had more than 23 years in the senate and could not ban abortion.
I wonder?
Well, you have to take into consideration evrything.
Do republicans care for the poor? NO
Are republicans for diplomacy? NO
Republicans are for War not peacr.
Reps are for pollution.
Republicans lack in many areas and so do democrats
democrats throw money at problems to solve hen!
They believe in big goverment!
THey can be waste full.
Abortionis most certinally not the most important issue.
I also find htis comment somewhat ignorant. Pro coice is not Pro Abortion. I am pro choice, want people to choose life but not make people have my views by making a law.
I'm sorry but there are more important issues than abortion.
Well here id the difference, those polled were normal americans. Sarah palin was running to be our vice president and was a heartbeat away from being the commander and chief. So she dident even know what her job was. She was asked what does the VP do and she said. "Well they are in charge of the senate and they get in there and make a lot of good policy changes." The VP is has 1 vote in the event of a tie and is first i line upon the presidents secussion or death.
Common people dont know the answers to polotical questions.
,but polotitions should. Its like a mechanic that doesent know how an engine works.
How about this. Abortion is currently already illegal in all 50 states. Abortion is murder (the killing of innocent life) and murder can never be legalized! Roe v. Wade was a court decision (courts don't make law!) that applied to Roe v. Wade only. What we need is to find one brave attorney general or governor or president (imagine that) who would ignore Roe and prosecute the murders. I recommend that you all go look at theamericanview.com and read the articles about abortion. I especially recommend "Standing Between the Butcher and the Baby" by Scott Whiteman. See what Michael Peroutka would have done his first day in office if he had been elected president. We don't need to overturn Roe, we don't need to try to restrict abortion, we need to prosecute!
Let's just face it, those people were ignorant. If someone asks you what party controls Congress you have a 50% chance of getting it right. They were wrong more often than if they's guessed.
This proves ACORN and other get out the vote projects are eneimes of an informed electorate.
I think it's far worse than the poll pointed out. Those questions were about current events. The ignorance about our democratic foundations is likely much worse. What if they'd have asked:
- How many branches of government do we have? What are they?
- What is the Bill of Rights? Identify one of them.
- How many Senators in (pick a state)?
- What is the electoral college?
- How many justices on the supreme court? What kind of cases do they hear?
- What is the term limit on Presidents?
- What is the term limit on Senators and Representatives?
- Name one of more requirements to be President identified in the Constitution.
I think we'd find massive ignorance and not just among BHO's voters.
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Wow, the Republicans sure did a terrible job of getting their anti-Obama smears out to the general public! Maybe they should try harder next time.
I'm afraid that I take a more-dim view of such things. Prop 8 doesn't have to have been voted down by people who love the traditional family, we were (let's be honest) helped by people who just don't like homosexuals.
Given that our society is pretty accepting of shacking up, and the popularity of adultery in entertainment, I think it's a bit much to hope that we've got a strong pro-family inclination.
Rather, I suspect that a lot of people voted for Prop 8 for the wrong reasons ... and it would be perfectly consistent for such people to deny protection for the unborn.
Suricou,
I'm sorry for being unclear. I'm not saying that pro-life and anti-gay marriage are one and the same and I'm not saying that both fall under the label of "family". But if parents will protect their young children from indoctrination in the public schools of the homosexual agenda, won't they also want to protect their children from the sex-without-consequences indoctrination in the public schools? This is important, particularly since abortions can be extremely invasive and even dangerous.
Does that make more sense?
Could it by that while you regard pro-life/anti-gay-marriage and a grab-bag of other issues as all being 'pro-family,' the voters are failing to connect them in this way? It's a bit of a stretch to see how homosexuality and abortion are related... homosexuals, after all, do not get pregnent except by deliberate choice. Trying to cram them both under the label of 'family' is an artificial connection. Politically convenient, but ultimately just a constructed association that voters are able to reject.
WE LIVE IN A PRO DEATH WORLD THE FUTURE IS BLEAK SOON WE WILL HAVE YOUTH IN ASIA. GOD HELP US
Today's Republican party is feckless, weak, unprincipled, sycophantic, witless, essentially leaderless, and has a long way to go before they get my vote again. I recently dropped out of the party and registered as an Independent. You betrayed us, and deserved your loss. Perhaps someday you will learn to nominate somebody with conservative principles after the Socialists destroy the Supreme Court and Federal courts across the land, and take America broke in the process.
Until then, Goodbye Losers!
TIMOTHY: I wouldn't expect you to answer. You HAVE NO FACTS, you cannot BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY with anything except it is your "view".
- you talk about my run on sentences, but asked for one example, you could not give one
- you say "this is more of you sick ad hominem attacks" (the word should have been "your")
- you say words are "foreright", did you mean FORTHRIGHT?
Unlike you, I can point out that you do not write clearly.
1. But, you do have limited knowledge...not a lie.
2. Wrong. Population deals with living and YOU HAVE NOT CITED ANYTHING. Anyone reading this blog (and I write for them, not you), knows that.
3. Check W. on underpopulation, and the UN, it is an artificial issue relating to economics, not CARRYING CAPACITY. It has to do with immigration, birth rates and a host of other things. But you say not Social Security, but retirement???????You listed no references.
4. It WAS THE UN FIGURE I gave you, look it up. They revise these a lot. Facts won't bite, let a few more in.
5. A little misquoting eh? "..he falsly written.." (did you mean "has written"?) You say Erlich was a "...deceiver, using half truths" Perhaps you see yourself in him? You say "economic development does stabilize birth rates..." Actually, it lowers them.
Drinking the Kool Aid again saying "ethanol subsidies" caused food shortages. Remember, we wanted to use corn, but Brazil uses something else, and the majority of the third world isn't using anything. The chinese are using fossil fuels. Know of no one using rice, which is the staple food source for much of the world.
Actually, Malthus believed that if man didn't check himself, he would overpopulate beyond his ability (or carrying capacity) to provide for himself. The brake on this was the Black Death, and a couple major wars of course. Later, the brake was the GREEN REVOLUTION which I brought up, but you didn't answer. It uses fossil fuels for fertilizer and limited genetic diversity in plants which could go bust easily.
6. You wrote "Conversation International" don't think this is what you meant. Was it?
Facts prove you wrong, but you will hold your "views" in spite of facts. "Views", like "faith", don't carry weight except to the holder. And if your mind is made up, no one should confuse you with facts! Right?
If you checked your FACTS you'd know why specific areas had low temps....try ocean turnover, ocean currents, globally changing wind patterns due to global warming....I'd suggest checking Science Daily for some links.
The artic sea ice is melting and dropping off, one about 25 sq. miles. The latest, about the underice rivers melting the glaciers even faster than first thought, is a recent addition...you can even find that through Yahoo. No hypotheticals here as you claim, just the facts.
8. I've said much of the same as you do here except the Mexico City Policy which goes out with Rep. Presidents and in with Dems. It has caused abortions by also limiting prevention.
TAXES, ours were used to kill in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Latin America and elsewhere. This with both parties in office.
We went to Afghanistan because of Bin Laden (9/11), Al Qaeda, training camps, saving the infringed upon, you name it.
YOU HAVE CITED NO EVIDENCE THE WORLD ISN'T OVERPOPULATED, and you haven't refuted my evidence that mass starvation over the years and lack of water and denuded portions of the earth due to hungry and cold humans, isn't a sympton of overpopulation.
The change in percentage of increase in population, has little to do with overpopulation. If I put 10 cows on a pasture, and at the end of year one, half the pasture is gone, at the end of year 2 all the pasture is gone, then when did the overpopulation of that pasture take place? What is the carrying capacity of that pasture? How much rainfall hits it? What is the mean temperature around the pasture? Figure it out, it will come to you....take your time.
Don't know what "establishment" you're talking about at the end. Bush?
Boy, you've got Obama as pro-everything. Wasn't it Bush with FISA, illegally listening? Didn't Bush push the Patriot Act to begin with? Wasn't it Bush's Ex. Order 51? Isn't it Bush bombing Pakistan? Starting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Lowering the taxes on the rich? Demanding seven hundred billion from the taxpayers to give to.....well, we really don't know who.
I wouldn't want you to answer this, it might be a little deep for you. And next time you read a book, read all of it, then plug in changing world facts from when it was written. Here's an upside, I wasn't following Malthus or Erlich...sorry to disappoint you.
I think you're right.
Then let's do something about it! If someone hasn't already put up a website or blog to this end, let's do it ourselves. We can build off the marriage victories by showing people the consistency in protecting your family both before and after birth.
This is hardly an epiphany, I know. Someone has probably already made a website to this end. But if not, let's put it together!
Does anyone know anything about website creation? I have a blog but it is limited in its design features, etc.
Everyone is for the family.
But the idea that a fetus is a baby has not sunk in.
That's why.
It's logical of course: your offspring is your family. That much should be evident. But people have not come to terms with the cognitive dissonance.
Yet, this is my last response to you on this issue though in a fast fashion.
I don't name call. I've called you a liar for plenty of reasons. The reasons are that you falsely accuse me of being narrow minded and lacking comprehension skills. It's as simple as that. That isn't too bad.
My grammar is fine. Your run ons is typical for you. I don't make too many unfinished sentences at all. English is my first language. This is more of you slick ad hominem attacks. My ideas are concrete and my words are foreright.
I know the definiton of a fact. I don't need a thorough clarification of it at all. This is going to be interesting.
1. I'm not insecure at all about my abilities or my personal beliefs. You have attacked me by classifying me as being not able to comprehend words. Calling someone a liar with evidence is hardly a personal attack in my eyes. One instance where you lied is by saying that I have limited knowledge about vital issues going on in the world.
2. The world is not overpopulated and I've cited more than just about Texas situation to back my statements up. The Texas situation was an example about people fitting in the Earth's surface. It was never a means to describe a solution to answer all of our environmental crises. Overpopulation may be bigger than simply living space (i.e. survival of people and resources deal with populations as well). Yet, one aspect of overpopulation is living space. Population in essence deals with living space.
3. It's a fact that underpopulation exists in the world. Underpopulation is not an artifical term at all. Underpopulation refers to a radical decrease of populations, especially if the population's growth is radically below normal fertility levels. Overpopulation deals with issues beyond just Social Security. It deals with retirement and other economic problems related to underpopulation.
4. Other people may cite 9.5 billion in 2050. Ok, but still the UN predicts a leveling off and a decrease of world population growth in the decades to come.
5. I refer to Malthus and Paul Erlich. Paul Erlich made many false predictions of course. Erlich wrote the Population Bomb book in 1968. In it, he falsely said that the battle to feed all of humanity is over. He falsely said that population growth will be so bad that only 1.5 billion people would exist by 1985. Now, we live in 2008 without that number of people remotely existing in the world. He falsley written that American life expentacy will drop to 42 by 1980 because of pesticides. He's a deciever using half truths in promoting a radical anti-population growth agenda. He promotes environmental hysteria. Malthus was similar to Erlich. He believed that population growth would grow rapidly. Malthus also falsley believed that higher wages in an economy will increase birth rates. The truth is that economic development can stabilize birth rates. Malthus bashed the poor as well. You do know that researchers have proven that poverty isn't necessarily related to population growth at all. Also, much of our high food prices have been caused by ethanol subidies. Every single food problem is also not always a problem of scarcity as well.
6. The Conversation International group found that 46% of the Earth's surface is wide open wilderness. Those other percentages you cite apparently came from wikipedia. Since they come from accredited agencies, I will take your word for it.
7. Sorry, you didn't refute my views on overpopulation. You've cited environmental crises. These crises occur by a whole list of factors. Many of these factors have nothing to do with population growth at all. These factors include bad leaders, environmental factors, repressive governments, and other reasons. Mass starvation, wars, disease, and the other things you have cited existed for eons before 1900. Therefore, these things occur. No one denies that these things occur. Malthus is wrong in trying to promote possible population catastrophe in his models. The fact is that modern technology, real assistance, and other means can temper radical population growth in any society. As for global warming, many scientists have expressed dissent with certain aspects of man made global warming. Even the IPCC was caught using false data to overexaggerate October 2008 temperatures. Now, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest ever temperatures for the month. The Arctic Sea ice has expanded by 30 percentage since the summer of 2007 (according to Dr. Michael Coffmann and satellite data). The reality is that climate change is a natural cycle in the Universe. Man does impact the environment, but not every part of the Earth. The sun, volcanoes, sunspots, and other natural forces have a huge impact in the environment as well.
8. This is the fun part. Obama is pro-war on terror and that is true. I define terrorism as the intentional murder of an innocent human being (without a legitimate reason at all). It's funny that you mention Al-Qaeda since Afghanistan never attacked us on 9/11. Obama have desired to send more troops in Afghanistan to fight the war on terror. Obama even threatened to attack Pakistan at certain circustances. Bush is doing some strikes in Pakistan, but Obama is wrong on Pakistan as well. The war on terror is readily used as a justification to strip much of our civil liberties in America. Barack Obama supports the Mexico City Policy. That policy prevents taxpayers to fund abortions internationally. There is no justification for the government to force taxpayers to pay something destructive like abortion overseas. Therefore, that policy should stay. I've mentioned in other places that the Patriot Act and the FISA law are 2 seperate things. I don't agree with the Patriot Act or FISA.
I've cited plenty of evidence to prove that the Earth isn't overpopulated. That's another falsehood by you again. Here's simple examples yet again: The population growth percentage per decade has decreased since 1960 (i.e. From 1960-1970, the population growth percentages was from 22.0 to 20.2%. From 1990 to 2000, the population growth percentages were 15.2 to 12.6%). There has been consistent declining fertility rates the world over in Russia, Western Europe, Italy, and other nations. According to Stewart Brand, over a third of all countries have birthrates below replacement levels. All humans now can easily fit in the Earth's land mass. Environmental crises have nothing to do with population growth, but either nature or bad policies done by human beings. Legitimate modernization of society can stabilize population rates as well.
If you can't understand my last paragraph, you need to really know how to read other people's words. I just said that the same establishment you rail against, advance your Malthusian ideals. Anti-population paranoia is apart of the establishment's agenda. If you want Obama's change of pro-war on terror, pro-Patriot Act, Pro-FISA, and pro-FOCA (which even NARAL admits that FOCA can potentially end every abortion restriction in America), then you have a right to embrace. These are all facts. I rather respect Barack Obama as human being. Yet, I have a right to disagree with much of his CHANGE AGENDA.
This is my last response to you on this issue. I don't care if you make a 100 pages in a response. The reason is that I've made my point concisely.
I've listed a big response. It was gone because of an error.
TIMOTHY; I see you are back to your name calling and telling people they lie, and being unable to discern fact from fiction. Too bad!
As to grammar: I'll hold mine to yours any day. I do a lot of writing and find it is well understood. I've overlooked some of your unfinished sentences, thinking English wasn't your first language. The problem is that when you don't finish a sentence, sometimes one doesn't know where you're headed.
A bit of definition: a fact can be proven, or at least references (real ones) cited for it.
Since you wander, let's keep it clear and on track. I'll number and reference this, and if you have the intestinal fortitude to answer, please stick to the numbers.
1. ad hominem attack....sorry you're insecure, but no one is attacking you as this implies. I have carefully shown how the world does and doesn't work in relation to your statements. It is you who keep calling me a liar. If you think so, show me one instance where I've lied.
2. (the following from your 11/15, 4:24 comments) You say: "the world is not overpopulated". "truth is 6 billion people worldwide can fit in the state of Texas given 1,000 square feet each.....earth is not overpopulated at all."
LOOK UP OVERPOPULATION It has little to do with standing room only....get it?
3. You say..."there is an underpopulation CRISIS in Russia, Korea....." Well, not in Korea, unless they have all starved in N. Korea by now. But, underpopulation is an artificial term and has nothing to do with the carrying capacity of the area. It might be a problem for things like Social Security where wage earners pay for the retired. Otherwise it is an economic idea for a country only. (ref UN, Wiki)
4. You mention the UN and world population leveling off in 2050 at 9 billion. Careful, it has been revised by them to about 9.5, and US is up there also. (ref UN, CIA)
5. You refer to Malthus and Paul Erlich. Well, both right as I pointed out above, famine, starvation you see, lack of water, and disease, just as he said are out there. Also, the only reason it didn't come big and fast was the "green revolution". But that depends on fossil fuels for fertilizers and brings with it the problem of genetic tinkering for plants. Like I said above, one big bug, rust, or whatever and a vast amount of the earth's food goes away. (these are statistical refutes in case you don't recognize them....look them up)
6. Areas of wilderness: Wildlife Conservation Society says 26%, UCN/UNEP says 10.9%....qualifications for WCS:
- 70% + more of original vegetation
- covers at least 3,861 Sq. miles
- fewer than 5 people per sq. kilometer
These include things like the tundra, taiga, Amazon rain Forest, Tibetan Plateau, Australian Outback, deserts like the Sahara and Gobi
Which means a lot of these places are not where man can live nor where he can grow his food. (ref W, CS)
7. So, including your 11/17 comments, you say I'm not refuting your views and what I say is hypothetical. For those mastering comprehension, I've refuted your view of Overpopulation and nothing I said was hypothetical.........
- glaciers are melting
- seas are rising, some areas are already covered in sea water
- Malthus was correct, and there has been and is mass starvation, millions of deaths due to that, war, lack of clean water and disease. That news is out there for anyone who can read.
8. "...Obama being pro-war on terror..." you had not mentioned it, but maybe you should define "terror". A drunken driver on the highway? Kill 20,000 plus a year in the US! Al Qaeda? Do their share of terrorizing.
" Obama supporting banning Mexico City Policy..." I spoke to that, go back and read it.(ref G, MCP)
"...Obama agreeing with Patriot Act..." think you said FISA, not the same.
" .. my evidence earth isn't overpopulated..." YOU HAVE GIVEN NO EVIDENCE JUST AN OPINION USING THE TEXAS THING AND THEN WITHDRAWING IT??????
"...yet we have serious environmental issues wasn't refuted by you at all." I brought up the environmental issues, what's to refute?
Your last paragraph was a babble of prevarications and I have no idea what you're really trying to say.
So, answer the question I posed on the cows and you will understand Overpopulation.
When you resort to calling people liars, it just means you have no facts. So go get some!
Chrissiann, I was and am admitting nothing of the kind, especially when Biden was kept away from the media's scrutiny for questioning even more so than Palin was (look it up, even the most liberal rags have reported this, it was either Time or Newsweek, just before the election).
"[The Vice Presidential candidate] had had no experience in relations with Britain or Russia...didn't know the right people...[The Vice Presidential candidate] didn't know [the] Secretary of State, more than to say hello. [The Vice Presidential candidate] had no background in foreign policy, no expert or experienced advisors...to call upon for help...To many, it was...that the least of elected officials--ar at any rate the least likely of them--[would] assume the President's place upon his death."
Was that a liberal/Democrat media source, pundit or politician speaking about Sarah Palin?
No. It was David McCullough, biographer of Democrat Harry S. Truman. While those quotes were of Truman after Roosevelt's death, it is clear that, since McCullough further documents how "unprepared, bewildered" Truman remained throughout his Vice Presidency, it is obvious that he was so before becoming Vice President.
The choice between a governor with energy and reform expertise and a Senator who never had any executive experience but who was caught plagiarizing at least twice and those times BOTH after graduating college (where if you're really "smart" you're supposed to learn the art of crediting and footnoting) is no choice at all. Palin wins that contest of the VEEPs, hands down, although sorry to say, the bar was lowered by Biden. Why else do you think the Obama campaign clamped the lid on Biden's mouth and presence?
It's an interesting double standard for you. You just did what Bill Clinton did when he gave Obama a pass for his inexperience, but you think you're too "smart" to give one to Palin? It's laughable, how transparent this bias really is. Remember Clinton's recent quote? Refresh your memory with it, here.
You say you "would much prefer someone with integrity, experience, knowledge." And you say with a straight face that Obama has all that?
Integrity? You haven't been following along with this blog for very long, it seems. We showed, for over 2 months, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, AND
here...
that Obama has been lying to you, to all of us. Integrity isn't his strong suit.
Experience? ZERO executive experience. Only about 1 to 2 years real Senatorial experience, the rest of the time spent running for President. And we covered here how Obama had virtually no Senatorial accomplishments (as in laws passed that he co-wrote or substantially drove). All he worked on were 2 laws, naming a Post Office and promoting relief and democracy for the Congo.
Knowledge? I might give him the edge over Palin on that one. After all, he HAS been running for President essentially since 2004: he damn well BETTER have more knowledge about national and international affairs for having had 4 years to come up to speed.
When I heard that McCain's advisors had her prepped for the debate over a weekend at his Arizona ranch, I was appalled. He should have predecided on her--quietly--in February and had her start coming up to speed then in anticipation. There was a boatload of McCain-advisor screwups I disagreed with.
ANY VP candidate, any Presidential candidate, has to come up to speed sometime. I challenge you to vet all 50 state governors for how well prepared they would be, right now, to be VP. Governors are focused on governing their states. They aren't focused on national issues as much as you seem to think they are.
But Palin's "gall and hunger for power"??? Good Lord. You're describing your very own beloved Obama. HE is the one who exhibits the gall and hunger for power. And now he has it, unfettered, absolute power. And absolute power corrupts absolutely, doesn't it?
Lastly, while some of the following is tongue-in-cheek, it's worth reading: http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-vs-barack-obama/
Thank you for this blog, but you may not realize that what you are admitting is that Palin is woefully, woefully unprepared for this position. As intelligent and as educated as I am, I am smart enough to realize that "cramming" for interviews to be Vice Prez of the USA (and possibly soon Prez)is not enough to prepare one for the actual position. I would much prefer someone with integrity, experience, knowledge, of which Obama has all. No one is faulting Palin for being runner up in beauty contest or having a bunch of kids who desperately need their mother and guidance, but I do fault her for not putting her gall and hunger for power aside and just saying "I am not prepared for this position. I realize you want 'someone cute' and a 'female,' but i am not just not prepared -- at all! -- to run for this position, let alone assume this position." If she would have uttered these true words, I would have had respect for her.
On December 10th 2008, radical pro-abortion groups will present petitions asking the UN General Assembly to make abortion a universally recognized human right.
The Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute have initiated a petition that calls for govts to interpret the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as protecting the unborn child from abortion. Along with a coalition of pro-life groups from around the world, they will present the petition at a press conference at UN headquarters.
If you have not signed the petition, do so now by going directly to http://www.c-fam.org and clicking on the icon 'UN Petition for the Unborn Child.' Then, after you have signed the petition, send this message to ALL OF YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS!
Please go to FightFOCA.com and sign the petition!
This is trying to stop the Freedom of Choice Act to be passed which allows partial birth abortions, and would make taxpayers fund abortions and lead to around 125,000 more abortions a year...just to name a few things...check out the website to find out more!
~Go To FightFOCA.com
Shame on you all. This should be a place to gain a deeper understanding of our religious foundations and, thus, our faith.
There are plenty of outlets to discuss petty, fleeting, partisan politics -- left or right.