Should Pro-Life Lesbians and Homosexuals be allowed to March for Life using their banner?

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The March for Life in Washington D.C. is hosted by the March for Life Education and Defense Fund. They secure the permits and have the right to allow or deny any group from participating in the annual march which seeks to end decriminalized abortion in America.

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The entire March for Life is made up of "special-interest groups." Unless we want to further relegate the pro-life movement to the conservative/religious segment of the population, then we must be open to allowing all who are with us join in the March.

It's March for Life, not March for Straights.

when I became an advocate for life it was because I became a Christian. And it wasn't till
God revealed it to me and the conviction from the Holy Spirit sealed it in my heart. The homosexual movement as they call it, even though prolife are sinners that need to be saved by grace therefore I would like to see a banner that says repented lesbian and homosexual for life.

Of course they should be allowed to march! This is about equal human rights for preborn children. All other aspects of human rights are not limited to Christianity and neither should the rights of preborn children. And why single out lesbians and homosexuals? There are prolife atheists laboring for the cause as well. The prolife messsage needs to be embraced by *all* people groups before we will ever become a prolife nation.

Anyone, regardless of who they are, who says life begins at conception and ought to be considered sacred and completely protected, would be correct.

However, not all "special interest groups" are created equal. The Pro-life cause is an extension of Christianity... period (specifically Catholicism). The sacredness of human life is not the only Christian principle represented at the March for Life. This organization and effort is a Catholic one and everyone knows it.

It's not to say people with other religious beliefs aren't welcome... they are - and gladly. At the very least, we agree on a natural principle regarding the sanctity of human life.

But the above question makes me ask whether we should allow the "Catholic Bashers For Life" to join the March with their banner...

Sodomy (of any sort) is an affront to God. It cries out to Heaven for vengeance. Does someone out there really expect a Catholic to deny this? Can I march with those who believe babies are beautiful but who also publicly profess that it's ok for for them to have 2 daddies or mommies?

How about Satanists for Life, or Bank Robbers for Life? Can they join?

Can anyone make a true appeal to God for the end of evil by accepting, AND MARCHING WITH, evil on "other" fronts?

What a big, ugly, twisted example of Cain's offering this would be...

Steve Sanborn


In Luke chapter 9 it says:

49"Master," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we tried to stop him, because he is not one of us."

50"Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."

Anyone who stands for life should be allowed to march ... are we not all sinners?

Steve said: "What a big, ugly, twisted example of Cain's offering this would be..."

So, now we all must be perfectly sinless before we can march for the rights of preborn children? Besides, it goes without saying that Satanists would not be prolife. But homosexuals and atheists sometimes are. So are fornicators, adulterers, alcoholics, idolators, etc., etc. We are ALL sinners. Sure, you could make an argument about unrepentant sinners vs. redemptive sinners, but I honestly feel that's beside the point: which is are the unborn persons deserving of equal human rights? I will agree that homosexuals should not be using the march to promote their own agenda (i.e. a distracting banner), but they should be allowed to march if they are prolife.

(On a side note, I resent anyone claiming the prolife cause to be inseparable from Catholicism. Protestant Christians are just as prolife as Catholics.)

But like I said, the prolife messsage needs to be embraced by *all* people groups before we will ever become a prolife nation.

I agree 100% with Bekah. I've personally met the president of PLAGAL, as my college pro-life group hosted her as a speaker. She is just as dedicated to the right to life as any straight activist. Her presence enhances the strength and unity of the March.

Steve, I respectfully disagree with your statement that the pro-life movement is an extension of Catholicism. The Catholic Church as an *institution* has the courage to take a strong stand on life, and we of course appreciate their contribution. But *individual* pro-lifers come from all faiths, and we are foolish to alienate non-Christians.

I hope that all of you, especially Pro-life atheist, will check out my site: secularprolife.org

Have a great day,
Kelsey

No we don't have to be totally sinless but we have to be totally forgiven. We can not bring an offering to a Holy God until we have been totally washed in the sinless blood of God's only son. Then you can and will do it all for the Glory of God who made these beautiful children.

Bekah,

Sinless? It's obvious that I do not assert or believe only the sinless should march. Stretch your conclusions elsewhere...

Several people posting here are forgetting that there is a stark difference between sinning and celebrating sin.

Bekah, et al, do you support fornication or fornicators? What about alchoholism or idolatry? How about pedophiles?

Are you really sitting there telling me that you don't see the difference between a person marching as a person and one who celebrates his sin by proudly holding up a banner that promotes it? Are you mad?

So, we'll invite the Pedophiles for Life to march proudly with their banner next year - scandalizing good people who live the laws of God. Never mind the blasphemy and scandal...never mind the offense to God... we'll all sinners... right? You just want to pretend that that banner over their heads isn't really there right?

I'll say it again. Sodomy is a sin which cries to Heaven for vengeance... as does murder. So we'll march against one of these sins and accept the other... or at least you will.

If you want to work with those who put their middle finger up to God... to achieve a Godly end, you're simply going to fail.

Have the alcoholic, have the adulterer, have any sinner you want. But don't you think for one second that their celebration of their sin at the March for Life or any such gathering, will ever be accepted.

Steve Sanborn

Steve Sanborn, you should note that in my previous post, I said: "I will agree that homosexuals should not be using the march to promote their own agenda (i.e. a distracting banner), but they should be allowed to march if they are prolife."

I agree with you about being a sinner versus "celebrating" sin, and so I also agree that a banner supporting the homosexual cause is inappropriate for a prolife march. All banners and posters in a prolife march should pertain to the rights and personhood of the unborn!

That being said, there is a mean-spirited attitude showing through in the tone of your posts. Remember, Jesus came "full of grace and truth" (John 1:14).

You may have the truth, Steve, but you are lacking in grace.

Yes they should.

There are children being murdered as we speak. We do not even have one second to spare.

This is a free country, and everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, however, why should homosexuals be banned from marching? Comparing a homosexual to a pedophile or a murderer is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard of in my life. Pedophiles and murderers HURT people. Some of my good friends (and family) are homosexuals, and are the most kind-hearted people I have ever met, and I would never have them any other way. Homosexuals don't ridicule us for being straight! Why not just let people be themselves, and love someone for who they are? They want to march for a wonderful purpose, and the more people to care about these children, the better.

Steve, if it makes you feel any better, I really would not want to stand side by side with someone who says the things you have just said.

Really.

Yes, I agree that anyone pro-life should be allowed to march BUT to march under such a banner shoudl not be allowed because...
the Truth states (although many of you may not consider this the Truth) that to kill an innocent is a sin, and a person has a soul after conception THUS to kill a baby after conception is a Mortal Sin eg would entitle you for a one-way ticket to hell.
To be homosexual is to treat a man or woman as the opposite sex by attepting to have sexual relations with them (strictly speaking they are not having sex as this can only be done between a man and woman.) Thus to be homosexual is a Mortal Sin as described above.

SO... for one person who is publicly affronting God's laws by stating 'I'm gay and think it's ok.' should not march in a Pro Life Rally becasue it appears that others in the march accept gay is ok - which it is NOT.

I have sined, we all have, but I do not claim that my sins are not sins, or that they are acceptable. I acknowlege my wrongdoings, the homosexuals are trying to justify thiers. A pro life March is not the place.

"Life begins at conception. "

Anyone with this belief should stand up and let it be known.

So Muslims for Life or LDS for Life or other pro-lifers should be excused from standing up for the unborn with us because they aren't Christians? We are not endorsing their viewpoints by welcoming them in the fight for life. Furthermore, don't you want to be able to witness to them, an opportunity you lose when you exclude them. Free speech is also a two-way street and you should be careful to complain when your allies censor you for whatever reason they may have.

And as a former protestant who has always been a hardcore prolife activist, I don't believe protestants on the whole are as pro-life as Catholics, especially since they allow and embrace the sexual immorality of birth control (most of which is abortive in itself). Yes, those who oppose abortion that support these other things (birth control and sterilization) are morally wrong, but should we exclude them from marching? That would shut down a vast majority of pregnancy centers. I disagree with them but know (as someone who has been "them" in the past) that these people save unborn babies and eventually convert their hearts when exposed to the truth.

The Pro-life cause is an extension of Christianity... period (specifically Catholicism).

This is utterly, utterly wrong and destructive. The pro-life movement, as understood by most of its participants, is a human rights movement. It no more belongs to you than does any other human rights movement.

Everyone is missing the whole reason why we (PLAGAL)carry our banner. Our banner is an outward sign to both the prolife community and the prochoice community that you just don't know what people believe. Both sides assume that those in the LGBT community are all prochoice. It is our statement that you cannot put people in neat little boxes and assume you know what they believe and why. We want everyone to know that yes virginia, there are prolife gays and lesbians out there and we do good prolife work. Not everyone who is prolife is a christian, republican or even a conservative. I know that is a hard concept for many on both sides of the debate to believe, if it were not true you would not have a variety of prolife groups that are not part of the mainstream.

Cecilia,

It is you who are missing the point or not hearing it.

Accepting your banner represents consent of your anti-Christian actions and publicly scandalous behavior.

Your banner is an outward sign of homosexual arrogance... and a demand that your inordinate unnatural behavior be recognized as equal to my state of Holy Matrimony and the begetting and rearing of children which I vowed to God to do.

I assume you would not allow my Holy Matrimony banner at your event... correct? Would smack of contradiction would it not?

Lastly, I wonder, if an association of masturbaters wanted equal time for their banner, should they be allowed to the March? This is a serious question. How about those who want beastiality recognized on a banner at the March? What exactly do you expect Christian people to bow down to... your demands or their God?

Steve Sanborn

Steve, it's the March for Life, not the March for Conservative Christianity.

Steve,
I am under the understanding that the March for Life is a protest geared toward our congress and the supreme court that we do not support Roe v Wade. The statement being made to congress is that abortion hurts women and thier unborn. Is this not so? Did I miss the memo some where that said that only those who are christian conservatives can partipate in opposing Roe v Wade? Where was the memo that said abortion is a religious issue only? Roe v Wade has nothing to do with Religion. As far as I see it, it is a human rights issue. The rights of the unborn and the rights for women to have life affiming choices. Many people were effected by that decision. I am one of them. I had an abortion in 1981. I regretted that abortion. I suffered complications physically and emotionally. I am always working with women and their unborn. Usually women that the religious right cannot reach for one reason or another. The prolife movement is not the religious right movement. It is not your club house. It belongs to all who are against abortion. If I can set aside my differences so that women are helped why won't you or others like you? Does anyone think I really like working with the religious right? NO! I do so because it is important to women and the unborn. If it means going out of my comfort zone to save just one life I will do it.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with one's views on abortion.

No one who is sincere should be excluded.
I am repelled by homosexuality, but I recognize that it exists, and that homosexual people are, in any other way, like heterosexuals. They are not devoid of morality, whether you or I consider them to be moral sexually.
It is good for the LGBT people to be there, with their banner. Strategically, it is very good for people to see that the revulsion regarding abortion stretches across all boundaries. It is much more difficult to be characterized and dismissed as narrow-minded religionists if people of different types are being represented in the pro-life movement. Did you ever hear the phrase "putting aside our differences"?

We are constantly being pigeonholed as narrow-minded intolerant right-wing conservative Christians. That hateful description and perception must be challenged!
Abortion is constantly being described as solely a religious issue. That false description and perception must be opposed everywhere it appears!
I am an agnostic and have ALWAYS been pro-life. I will NOT allow you to define it narrowly as the property of your group or your religion.

You must learn how to function outside of your comfort zone. It's a real world out there, and we have to deal with it, even when it means joining forces with those we might not otherwise agree with or maybe even not have anything to do with. We do not have the luxury of excluding people because some see them as sinners.
There have always been bad people inside religions and righteous people who are non-believers. Dr. Tiller was religious and Nat Hentoff is not.

To equate the LGBT people with Satanists or "masturbators" is fatuous. There is no time to waste on silly hypotheticals. The LGBT community is real, increasingly prominent and influential, and respected for their power as a bloc. If members of the LGBT community wish to express their pro-life views within the context of being LGBT, I say great! They can enlighten and influence others in their community as well as those sympathetic to them. We need every voice and every vote!

A few things more-
If PLAGAL marches with a banner, they are not promoting an agenda, except the agenda of Life. They are saying "We are lesbian and gay people who are pro-life". That's it. They are declaring that they exist. They are not marching for "Pride" or gay marriage or anything other than the rights of the unborn and letting people know that there are pro-life people where many would not expect to find any. By being allowed to display their banner, they are not compelled to appear to be something they are not.

The point of any demonstration is not just to get together with a bunch of people who think the way you do and have a good time saying what you want to say.
It is to project a united voice on an issue.
It is to show society that you exist.
It is to reach people who don't agree with you, and those who are not sure.
It is to encourage and embolden those who do agree with you.
Most of all, it is to bring about change.


One PLAGAL banner, like one "Atheists For Life" banner, will have a much stronger effect on many people watching than just one more banner like all the others. The pro-life movement, to succeed, must become a coalition of diverse groups which defies simplistic categorizations of the past. We cannot allow any voice in defense of Life to be stilled because their path is not as narrow, or their life not as pure, as another's.

The pro-life cause is compelling and specific. For some it is a religious cause, but for all, it is a human rights cause. We must keep our eye on the big picture.
To march in common cause with another does not have to mean you must agree with them on other things. Does God not know what is in your heart?

It is important to keep things in perspective.
I think abortion is far worse, far more destructive to society than homosexuality.
Abortion destroys an innocent life, and I don't need any religion or belief in God to know that. Maybe homosexuality condemns a person to Hell, which is bad for that person, but it does not deny another the right to exist.

In World War II, was the US wrong to ally with the USSR to defeat Hitler? Sometimes, we have to do something we don't like to achieve a greater goal.
Suppose you are pro-life and anti-death penalty, and you have a choice between two candidates for office, one pro-life, pro-death penalty, and one anti-life, anti-death penalty. Which will you choose? Both are morally objectionable to you. Would you refuse to vote, thereby becoming mute on both issues? Is that the right thing to do?
Or do you oppose the greatest evil, even though it means, in a sense, supporting the other? If you do, does God not understand why?




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