If abortion is murder, let's act like it and tell it like it is.

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Anti-life organizations incessantly portray pro-life and pro-family activists as radical, right-wing, woman-hating, clinic-bombing, Bible-thumping nuts.

Aside from simply being bitter, ignorant, domineering bullies, there is a reason why this false façade is being carefully crafted and propagated. See, the thing is, pro-aborts do not 'convert' people to be pro-abortion. They assimilate. They target kids who are still in school and inundate their world with false stereotypes of the angry anti-choice extremists and the big, brave, beautiful pro-choicers.

Do you realize the enormity of this? Think about it. The group that supports pedophilia, the Chinese forced-abortion program, child pornography and third-trimester partial-birth abortions for convenience have successfully labeled individuals who oppose child murder as the extremists! These are the same psychos who view little old ladies with rosary beads outside of abortion clinics as 'scary'.

It's laughable, but the youth of America fall for it.

It never ceases to amaze me how baffled students get on campuses after meeting life activists. It's so surprising to them when the dangerous anti-choice extremists are simply politely dialoguing with students and providing facts-based information. Then things get really confusing when the pro-life kids start getting verbally and physically assaulted on all sides from the peace loving pro-choicers, bless their courageous little hearts.

This false stereotype not only controls the ignorant youth of America, its controlling pro-lifers as well. Too many activists are walking around scared of asserting the truth of abortion for fear of falling into this fabricated joke of a typecast. Too many people get overly defensive and let the pro-aborts control them by playing along with the semantic games. Words like 'murder', 'pro-abort' and 'baby killer' are taboo and are dutifully replaced with words like 'decision', 'pro-choice' and 'abortionist'.

While we're off playing nice, groups like Planned Parenthood continue to systematically attack, slander and smear the image of lifers - all the while innocent children nationwide are being killed in nazi-esque assembly lines. On college campuses - where the false image of pro-lifers is most vital in its effectiveness - if abortion is spoken of in anything other than glowing terms, you're considered an offensive extremist who should be shunned by polite society.

Uh, question. Why should we worry about not offending the baby killers? Killing babies offends me! If speaking the truth boldly is offensive, then pro-lifers need to get offensive. If pro-aborts want to get nasty, we can get nasty. At least our nasty doesn't end up in a bucket of saline or a trash compacter.

We are battling against a wealth of lies and well formed propaganda that is deceiving a nation. It's high time that pro-lifers shatter the false stereotype of "anti-choice extremists" by pointing out who the real extremists are and why.

When I call pro-choicers 'ignorant', it is only because they deny the basics of elementary school biology, modern medical science and common sense. (Ig.nor.ant -- 1. lacking education or knowledge; 2. unaware or uninformed)

When I call pro-choicers 'violent', it is only because in the past six years Human Life International has documented well over 8,500 acts of violence and illegal activities by pro-aborts. These crimes include homicides and other killings, arson, bombings, vandalism and physical and verbal assaults. (Vi.o.lent -- 1. emotional agitation to the point of loss of self-control; 2. prone to commit acts of force)

And when I call pro-choicers 'pathetic', it is only because anyone who knowlingly supports the act of a helpless child being savagely ripped apart and torn piece by bloody piece from its mothers' womb is a pathetic human being. (Pa.thet.ic -- 1. miserably or contemptibly inadequate; 2. causing or evoking pity, sadness or sorrow)

When society recognizes pro-aborts as such, how many impressionable youth do you think will be jumping on the 'pro-choice' bandwagon? Their harebrained logic should be ridiculed. Their idiocy should be laughed at. False pro-life and pro-choice stereotypes need to be challenged.

But we will never win this battle against the preborn when we're playing by their rules. What favors are we doing the youth of America by censoring facts or jumping into the wordplay rhetoric that is the triumph of Planned Parenthood? What good are we doing leaving impressionable kids a safe haven in ignorance?

In late 2007 Jill Stanek conducted a poll in which she asked pro-lifers how they viewed the term, 'pro-aborts'. 24.8% of respondents voted that the phrase was, "Inappropriate, inaccurate and accomplishes nothing." That's 24.8% of pro-lifers that need to grow a pair.

Pro-choice advocates advocate abortion. Therefore they are pro-aborts. Abortionists know that they are killing babies. Therefore they are baby killers. Who cares if they don't like these titles? Forget the word games and tell it as it is. Why should we continue the ineffectual coddling of the vilest aspects of the abortion community?

Mass idiocy persists because complacent people allow it to. If anti-slavery activists insisted on the coddling of slave traders, slave owners and dehumanizing rhetoric that many pro-lifers seem keen on adopting for pro-choicers, we would still have slavery in our midst. We are fighting for victims who do not have voices of their own. We don't have time to play games and let supporters of mass baby slaughter sit cozy in their cocoon of idiocy. If abortion is murder, let's act like it and tell it like it is.

- Gingi Edmonds

Got an opinion? An idea? A comment? Drop me a line at gingi@survivors.la

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I plainly call it murder.

Abortion is murder, simple and to the point. It is the killing of a fetus which would be a human person in the image of God if allowed to come to term.

Rick

"The group that supports pedophilia, the Chinese forced-abortion program, child pornography and third-trimester partial-birth abortions for convenience have successfully labeled individuals who oppose child murder as the extremists!"

You seem to be propogating false stereotypes as well. MOST people who support a woman's right to choose do NOT support third-trimester abortions.

We can't make progress on this issue with both sides clouded by hatred and disdain towards those with opposite views.

Bring on more polarizing incendiary rhetoric to demonize your "enemy." In the meantime, I'll still support a woman's right to choose what is best for her. Never having had an abortion myself, would you call ME a baby-killer? That's ludicrous.

Not being a Christian, I can't be certain, but I'm pretty sure it's up to GOD to judge the actions of others - not YOU.

I find it quite annoying that this article says pro-choicers are using lies and demonisation to make pro-lifers seem violent and dangerous, while at the same time you say that all pro-choicers support child pornography, forced abortion, and nazism. Have you looked in the mirror lately? You're doing exactly the same thing you accuse them of!

I'll be writing about this in my blog :>

I agree with you 100% I have always noticed that e do use their rhetoric. When we use the Freedom of Choice Act - we should say Freedom of choice to kill babies. Iused it in my church bulletin
and it worked. People started to understand more.
We never finish their freedom of choice rhetoric
thereby giving the illusion that we all should have freedoms of choice. We also must meet and march regularly - like get in their faces that is our elected representatives- constantly sending letters protesting the high number of babies being killed- We must be like the civil rights
mrchers and be out in the open- constantly demanding that these babies are being ripped apart, and as I speak partial birth is still going on. We must be in a uproar because we are not being noticed- most media tv stations ignored the 440,000 thousand people that marched for life in Washington and 37,000 in San Francisco this past January. If we dont improve our strategy- we are going to lose due to our inability to get out thereand stand for what is right.

Gingi, you're still labeling people derisive labels ("pro-abort").

Why?

And though I fully know and accept now that what I did was the killing of my own daughter, I guarantee you this kind of talk (in the title especially, of this post), is nothing short of cataclysmic and will serve to alienate every post-abortive woman and man out there who might be having second thoughts about how not great abortion really was and is.

You are driving them away from thinking there is any kind of forgiveness for what they've done.

Do you really want to do that?

Even Pope John Paul II didn't want to do that, and he didn't.

I beg you to stop doing that.

"When I call pro-choicers 'violent', it is only because in the past six years Human Life International has documented well over 8,500 acts of violence and illegal activities by pro-aborts."

Only 8,500? They do that many violent things in two days. They shred little humans to pieces, poison them, dismember them, disembowel them, and suck their brains out. Abortion is violence.

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Ummm, did you even READ my article? Or did you (like you said with my last column) 'Stop reading at the first mention of pro-aborts'?

I'd advise you to hold off on your criticism till you actually take the time to hear what I have to say. Then I'd be more than happy to have a productive dialogue with you.

"Gingi, you're still labeling people derisive labels ("pro-abort").

Why?"

I believe the essay you are commenting on already addressed this question. I quote from it,

"Pro-choice advocates advocate abortion. Therefore they are pro-aborts. Abortionists know that they are killing babies. Therefore they are baby killers. Who cares if they don't like these titles? Forget the word games and tell it as it is. Why should we continue the ineffectual coddling of the vilest aspects of the abortion community?"

I am still unable to work out on what grounds the writer accuses pro-choicers of supporting child porn though. I think that's just standard practice in blog politics these days.

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Why? Did you even READ my article? Or did you - like you said with my last article - 'Stop reading at the first mention of pro-aborts'?

I advise that you withold your criticism till you actually read what I have to say. Then I will be more than happy to have a productive dialogue with you.

"You seem to be propogating false stereotypes as well. MOST people who support a woman's right to choose do NOT support third-trimester abortions."

That is not a stereotype darling. Massive national groups like Planned Parenthood and NARAL do openly support all things I listed along with the archaic belief that ripping apart a defenseless child is a 'right'.

"I find it quite annoying that this article says pro-choicers are using lies and demonisation to make pro-lifers seem violent and dangerous, while at the same time you say that all pro-choicers support child pornography, forced abortion, and nazism."

I never said all pro-choicers support child pornography. I said that the groups that support those things are the ones foisting their extremist character onto pro-lifers. And that is overwhelmingly true.

The whole point of my article was to illustrate how people like YOU get hoodwinking into buying the 'pro-lifers are extremists', by people who support child pornography, forced abortion and partial-birth abortion. Look at any group spearheading 'abortion rights' and their beliefs are almost always certifiably psychotic. And yet you still think pro-lifers are the 'crazy ones'? ^_^

Gingi, I am sorry you would speak to me in the tone you just used. I just don't condone labeling and belittling people, as you choose to still do by using this term. I also don't think that a productive dialogue is really what you want with me, as long as I object to the labeling and antagonizing of people, however much we may disagree with them. You believe that it's ok to label them a fabricated English non-word that they find antagonizing, and you object, vehemently it seems, to my objecting to this.

This colors what anyone has to say, this labeling. I'm sorry, but it just does.

As Emily first wrote on our commenting guidelines:

"Please don't use the labels "anti-choice" or "pro-abort". Please don't label individuals."

I did ask you, twice, nicely, imploringly, to not label individuals anymore. Your decision to continue to defend doing so saddens me.

I think pro-life advocates would do well to read Greg Koukl's new book, "Tactics: A Game Plan for Discussing Your Christian Convictions." (Zondervan, 2009)

It's critically important that we graciously, yet incisively, defend our views in the public square.

"Gingi, I am sorry you would speak to me in the tone you just used."

What tone would that be? :-)

"I just don't condone labeling and belittling people"

Labels exist for identification purposes. 'Pro-life' and 'pro-choice' are also labels. If pro-abort is belittling, it's only because the reality of what they stand for is hard to face. Like I said in my post, what favors are we doing them giving them a safe cacoon in cushiony words that censor the real issue at hand?

"I also don't think that a productive dialogue is really what you want with me"

Now why would you say that? I only asked that you read my post before commenting, since your questions and concerns had already been plainly addressed in the body of my text, as other people have noticed and pointed out to you. Assuming that I don't want to talk, simply because you are too lazy or too stubborn to read my post, is silly indeed. I clearly said, 'Read the post, then we will talk.' That still stands darling. ^_^

"you object, vehemently it seems, to my objecting to this"

Actually, no. The only thing I objected to, was your airing your opinion on this blog without taking the time to read or hear mine. :-)

"I did ask you, twice, nicely, imploringly, to not label individuals anymore."

Like I said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with labeling people, so long as that label is accurate. Pro-life is a label. Why aren't you imploring other bloggers to 'drop the labels'? Pro-choice is a label. And pro-abort is a label.. and an accurate one too I might add.. far more accurate than pro-choice. ^_^

I think that the killing of the unborn should be called "slaughter of the innocent." The word "slaughter" is a more descriptive word.

Thanks, Scott, sounds like a good book.

All I can think of when this kind of angst-ridden argument comes up between prolife folks is:

Jesus did deal with the moneychangers (folks I'd equate with Planned Parenthood and their ilk) with bluntness and direct anger, to say the least, but at the same time, he didn't condemn or attack the woman caught in adultery.

And who else are most of us who have aborted than those caught in the act of adultery?

No, Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you. Go, (and) from now on do not sin any more."

How many potential, future-prolife folks does one alienate by calling them a derogatory label such as "pro-abort"? Does it really kill anyone to take the time to type it all out: "pro-abortion folks"? They will get angry at that too, I know, it happens when I use that full phrase, but that phrase can be shown to be true and in addition, it isn't a shorthand label that they are as upset about as we are when we are called "anti-choice".

On the After Abortion blog, soon, I'll be posting the eloquent words, with full permission, of a woman who came to that blog several years ago, angry at us and extremely pro-choice, yet who stayed because we didn't allow anyone to label her pro-abort or condemn her, though some tried.

Today, she is one of our dearest online friends and has just this past week written me about how deeply heartbroken she is: over the compassion we showed her and how that allowed her to finally grieve over the children she aborted. She is extremely grateful to those of us who were and remain kind while "speaking the truth with love."

That's what I'm trying to point out.

For those who believe in Jesus, He spoke to sinners, telling them the truth, but with love.

I think that we have to do what works. "Abortion is murder" may be true, but it doesn't work as a slogan.

There are lots of things that don't work. We tried many things, and the angry pro-lifer onning on about the baby-killers doesn't really work. I'm for a variety of tactics, but some tactics are better than others.

Words like 'murder', 'pro-abort' and 'baby killer' are taboo and are dutifully replaced with words like 'decision', 'pro-choice' and 'abortionist'.

I think that it's fine to use our own terminology, and we shouldn't worry about offending the pro-aborts, but the thing is, most people are in the middle, and a large number of them have been affected by abortion. We have to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. We want to communicate with these people. If you want them to hear us, we have to speak in a way that communicates to them. It's a principle of marketing. You have to pay attention to your audience and what they are willing to put up with. St. Paul did the same thing. He was all things to all people, and to a degree, we have to adopt that same stance.

Myself, I speak of fetal rights. Because all human beings are equal. I treat abortion as a violation of human rights.

LOL! Annie. Can you tell me how 'pro-abort' is derogatory? Is it derogatory simply because it's a shortening of pro-abortion? Please explain your logic here.

Is is derogatory to a refrigerator to call it a 'fridge'? Or a telephone to call it a 'phone'? Your issue here seems to be that the word is shortened.. not that it's a true or false statement.

Or is it because it's a 'label'? Because like I said before (although I don't see that my comment was posted)... 'pro-life' and 'pro-choice' are also labels. Labels are not bad.

If you're going to rail about 'shortened words' and 'labeling', then be consistent and hate all shortened words and labels. Or, if you feel that pro-abort is derogatory, then you must at least give a valid, concrete reason as to why stating the truth (pro-choice IS pro-abortion), is 'bad'.

And of course I would like to have a productive dialogue with you. It saddens me that you're so defensive that you would say otherwise, despite what I clearly stated in my initial text to you. I'd like to hear and discuss your take on this, as I'd equally like to share mine.. not have your views flung at me while you refuse to explain yourself, like you currently are.

I never 'opposed to you opposing me'. I simply opposed to you making negative comments without reading my original blog. Which I still believe you haven't actually even read it. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

LOL. It appears that my comments are being censored. I have responded to every single comment in a courteous fashion, and yet I don't see any of my posts, while comments from others keep popping up.

Hey, whoever is in charge of censoring these, if you are not going to post my respectful responses, then please take my original blog post down. Thank you.

So anyway. Annie. (Assuming THIS ONE goes through.) Can you tell me how 'pro-abort' is derogatory? Is it derogatory simply because it's a shortening of pro-abortion? Please explain your logic here.

Is is derogatory to a refrigerator to call it a 'fridge'? Or a telephone to call it a 'phone'? Your issue here seems to be that the word is shortened.. not that it's a true or false statement.

And like I said before... pro-life and pro-choice are also labels. Labels are not bad. If you are going to rail against something simply because it's a label or a shortened word, then be consistent. Because the TRUTH is that 'pro-choice' is pro-abortion. And 'pro-abortion folks' is pro-abortion. And 'pro-abort' is pro-abortion. They are all honest labels. And sometime the truth hurts. But that is no reason to censor things.

And of course I would like to have a productive dialogue with you. It saddens me that you're so defensive that you would say otherwise, despite what I clearly stated in my initial text to you.

You make me giggle, because you seem to think I'm some kind of opponent in a heated debate. I never 'opposed to you opposing me'. I simply opposed to you making negative comments without reading my original blog. Which I still believe you haven't actually even read it. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

When I hear the word/term 'pro-aborts' I don't think of the VICTIM (pregnant woman) entering the abortionist's (baby killer)office....but rather of the people who profit from these killings. The people who LIE when they say they are 'pro-choice' but prove otherwise when they don't offer or suggest anything BUT the 'ending of the pregnancy' (killing of a human child). The fact is, woman are being lied to daily with these PC terms and lack of information that schools and organizations give out. The majority of which profit greatly on the ignorance of the general public. It is frightening that most people don't even realize that my the time a woman even realizes she is pregnant, the baby's heart is beating. The 'Pro-Choice' crowd has been using very effective 'labeling' for years, it's time for us to put our foot down and call it as we see it. Women HAVE to come to terms with the fact that they did indeed KILL their child (for those unfortunate victims of the liars on that side)...once they understand what they did, then they can start to heal from it. There are scores of groups out there who offer that help, that healing, are more than willing to lead a woman to the ultimate physician who can take away the pain and stain of that sin, Jesus Christ. So, stop being so afraid of the truth. Jesus threw a fit in the temple, called those moneychangers names, 'labeled' them for what they were. How can it be wrong for us to tell the truth, even if it hurts?

02 23 09

This is my son's eigth month birthday today and I am so happy. God blessed me with him indeed! Your article does use incindiary rhetoric, but your points are well taken. Growing up in California's Bay Area as a kid, we were routinely brainwashed into this 'pro lifers are religious zealots' point of view. I am for life. I don't condemn women who have had abortions; I pray for them. I DO try not to hate abortionists because they are state sanctioned murderers. Bottom line. I think what will make the pro life movement stronger is an appeal to those who aren't religiously motivated. I have come across some securlarists who are slowly but surely coming around. Why? In discussions, I oft cast abortion as a HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSE, which it certainly IS. But many people on the political left, atheists, civil libertarians and the like pride themselves on their defense of human rights, but seem to believe that a womans 'right' to kill her baby trumps the inherent humanity of the unborn baby.

Nadya Suleman and her recent births have shown many so called pro choicers to be quite intolerant of her choice NOT to selectively abort any of her babies. Apparently, choice seems to mean its okay to abort, but not to HAVE children...Good post; got my blood boiling!

GINGI:

No one is "censoring" you or your comments. Please consider tempering the paranoia and your sarcasm, it is not becoming of anyone who is prolife. I have published them all, since you insist on some kind of conspiracy theory against you. There are about 20 of us who post here, and several who have the admin rights to publish or not publish comments.

Those of us who do have admin rights here have daytime jobs, sometimes two jobs to make ends meet, and we have lives as well. We unfortunately cannot and have never been paid to run this blog, so we get to the management of it when we can. Which as everyone can see, is not daily and sometimes not even weekly.

YOU WROTE:

"I have responded to every single comment in a courteous fashion"

AND wrote about your "respectful responses"...

...yet you also wrote the following:

"you are too lazy or too stubborn to read my post"

"That still stands darling."

"you're so defensive"

"LOL" twice (a sarcastic use if ever there was one)

"not have your views flung at me"

Though this blog's founders don't ask for this, I've always found these guidelines invaluable, and they speak somewhat also to this very issue you and I are in disagreement over.

The simple fact is yes, labels can be bad. When you apply them to people. To a whole SIDE of people, especially, ignoring Christ's call to compassion for the subset of that side of people who may well be looking for someone to offer them forgiveness and hope and escape from the pressure of staying prochoice against their deepest desires.

You don't hurt a fridge's feelings or antagonize the fridge by calling it a fridge.

I didn't "fling my views at you", I respectfully implored you several weeks ago not to use derogatory labels which antagonize, and you ignored my entreaty on that first attempt at discussion. I implored you again, nicely, and you responded with snark and anger.

I'm not angry at you, but I'm sorry, Gingi, you have your head set on what you believe is right or wrong about the topic I raised. I just won't go down that pit to try to change your mind any further.

As for SUZI, I am clearly not in favor of stooping to the level of "The 'Pro-Choice' crowd [which] has been using very effective 'labeling' for years", and you don't know this, perhaps, but I am clearly not one who is "afraid of the truth."

Not anymore, anyway.

Calling it as we see it is all I've been doing for the past 4 or 5 years. Spending a few minutes on either of the After Abortion or Abortion Pundit blogs will tell anyone that.

I just have learned (the hard way, as some of you may now be learning), that there are two different pro-choice audiences out there: the diehards and the abortion industry....and those who wish they didn't have to keep up the prochoice ruse or are otherwise on the fence.

You, Suzi and Gingi, insist on driving the latter camp off that fence and back onto the prochoice/proabortion side.

I don't.

As long as there are those who do that, the prolife movement will not succeed.

I'll end my part in this thread/discussion with the best damn words said about abortion I have ever read:

"...I would now like to say a special word to women who have had an abortion...[many people are] aware of the many factors which may have influenced your decision, and [do] not doubt that in many cases it was a painful and even shattering decision. The wound in your heart may not yet have healed. Certainly what happened was and remains terribly wrong. But do not give in to discouragement and do not lose hope. Try rather to understand what happened and face it honestly. If you have not already done so, give yourselves over with humility and trust to repentance. The Father of mercies is ready to give you his forgiveness and his peace ... You will come to understand that nothing is definitively lost and you will also be able to ask forgiveness from your child...With the friendly and expert help and advice of other people, and as a result of your own painful experience, you can be among the most eloquent defenders of everyone's right to life. Through your commitment to life, whether by accepting the birth of other children or by welcoming and caring for those most in need of someone to be close to them, you will become promoters of a new way of looking at human life."

Anne,
You do realize that people like myself, Gingi and a few others on here who seem to feel the same way we do, KNOW how to deal with the abortion issue on an INDIVIDUAL level, right?

Do you honestly think that Gingi would walk up to a woman going into an abortion clinic and speak with the same tone she's used in this article (which, as I see it was directed at the PRO-LIFERS)?

Jesus told the moneychangers what he thought of them, violently tossing their tables aside and calling them ACCURATE names and ACCCUSED them of turning the House of GOD into the equivalent of a den of thieves or a brothal. BUT, notice how he responded to the woman who sinned? Notice how he sat and ate and conversed with the tax collectors and other 'rabble'?

Please know that we are intelligent enough to be able to discern (with the help of the Holy Spirit), the way in which we deal with each situation.

The battle at hand is to UNDO the damage that public schools, colleges and other liberal organizations have done with FALSE labeling and deliberate omitting of the TRUTH. Watch videos of kids seeing the horrific photos of what abortion really is, listen to them say, 'but I thought it was just a blob of tissue'...realize that they have been lied to and you may only have a few minutes to undo years of brainwashing. Harsh reality? Yes. Now, consider the same group in front of an Abortion Clinic....their actions, words and deeds are going to completely different. Here you will see a sign that shows fetal developement at various stages of the pregnancy. Here you will see them giving out info of local groups/churches/individuals who are ready, willing and able to help them RIGHT THEN. Offering a real CHOICE!

Once people finally realize that to the 'pro-choice' industry that they only 'choice' they want, offer or prosper by is the DEATH of an innocent child, and see that the reality is that Pro-Choice=Pro-ABORTION, then we can start showing them that the only real 'choice' is very simple.

Choose not to become pregnant in the first place (the majority of abortions are after the fact birth control)

Choose to give the baby up for adoption. The Pro-Choice side is big on telling the world that NO ONE really wants their child.

or

Choose to have the child and seek help in raising it themselves.

The biggest lies these young women hear is that the DEATH of a innocent is a better 'choice' than an inconvenient few months of their lives. The lies continue when they are not told the whole truth about what abortion really is, and how it really affects her (and others around her) for the rest of their lives.

When the Pro-life community realizes that we are in a war to save lives, stepping on a few pro-choice toes is acceptable. We need to stop being the passive whimps that people like to paint Jesus as. Jesus was not a whimp...and we shouldn't be either.

Sorry if I offended anyone here, I just believe we do ourselves and the world no favors for hiding our heads in the sand and playing by the PC rules that got us into this quagmire nearly 40 years ago.

"No one is "censoring" you or your comments."

And yet mine were not showing up, while yours seemed to have no problems going straight to the public. There are STILL two posts of mine that are currently missing.

"Please consider tempering the paranoia and your sarcasm, it is not becoming of anyone who is prolife."

*gasp!* Did the stuffy pro-lifer just use sarcasm herself?! Wait.. wait... SHE DID! And I don't think any less of you for it. Righteous anger is not a sin, and even Jesus Christ himself used sarcasm. ^_^

"I have published them all,"

I was not aware that you were responsible for publishing my comments.. but now it does make sense that mine were delayed, while yours were posted. And it is curious that they didn't appear till I complained that I WAS being censored. That's not paranoia, just an honest observation. Even the pro-aborts get their posts submitted immediately, but the pro-lifers are the ones who have to jump through Planned Parenthood-esque word games to be heard.

And once more, I am not opposing you or your views. I'm simply asking you to please read my article through before you start posting your negativity without first hearing the other side. Even NOW have you taken the time to read my opinion article in full? A simple yes or no will do. ^_^

What are your thoughts about the Octumom? I believe she argues the point of pro-lifers by not wanting to destroy her embryos. As pro-life believers believe:

There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate.

So what do you think? Do you support Nadia's decision?

When ever I read these arguements, I am immediately reminded of the arguement between Atheists and religious people. Two sides insisting that they are right and the other is wrong. I can completely see and understand all of your pro-life arguements and I agree with most of them (except for calling women who have terminations 'murderers'). I guess I am what you would call a pro-choice supporter, and yes I do agree with abortion.

However, I only agree with it as a last resort, like if the womans life is in danger, the fetus is either severely deformed, or if the woman was raped and became pregnant (though I'm not saying all women should or do have abortions in this case). I think that women who use abortion as a form of contraception is completely wrong, there is no need to terminate a life just because you can't be bothered. So I do believe that there is some kind of choice.
Also the forced abortions that the Chinese government are performing are an atrocity and are truly a breach of human rights.


JMJ

To anonymous at 9:55am

So most pro aborts are against partial birth abortion. We ask, WHY? If abortion is ok, why not partial birth abortion?

The abortion industry was founded on lies starting with Nathanson's contrived 20,000 deaths of mothers getting back alley abortions, a figure that he, who had committed 40,000 abortions, but now a pro lifer, admits he made up. The abortion industry is built on bad, inconsistent logic. THE ABORTION INDUSTRY GREW UP ON FEMINISTS NEED TO BE SLUTS AND IF THEIR BIRTH CONTROL DIDN'T WORK, ABORTION, THE SACRAMENT THAT SOLVES ALL PROBLEMS.

SUZI, this is the Internet. The article may be directed only at a certain segment, but that doesn't mean that only that certain segment will READ it.

You have no idea HOW MANY "LURKERS" are out there reading silently, never commenting.

The After Abortion blog alone gets 1,000 lurkers a WEEK, and we're not even daily blogging or even regularly blogging there and haven't been for a couple years!!

They come from Google searches mostly about "abortion pain" or "grief after abortion."

By using the term pro-aborts, Gingi IS "walking up to a woman who [HAS GONE INTO] an abortion clinic and IS speaking with the same tone she's used in this article" and in most of her diatribe against me.

She is probably alienating hundreds if not thousands of them at a time.

Imagine those women, reading her post, feeling alienated, and like many before her, thinking, "Wow. If Gingi attacks anyone who is or was once 'pro-choice' and also will attack one of 'her own', another prolifer who is postabortive and regrets it, with such hatred and anger, imagine how she'd tear ME apart?"


GINGI, I'm going to answer some of your accusations despite the fact that you continue to be insulting and maligning.

You posted here at PLB, at least once, if I'm not mistaken. There is no way for me to know up front whether or not you have admin privileges along with posting privileges, as allowed you by Tim R., the founder of PLB.

I was able to publish my comments right away as I can log on to do so. If you are a registered, trusted commenter and/or poster, yours also would have been published once you logged on to do so, just as I did. At least that's my understanding. Tim can correct me (or another who has admin privileges), I would guess, if I am wrong.

I have a day job and DO NOT HAVE TIME TO MONITOR EVERY SINGLE COMMENT POSTED AND AWAITING PUBLICATION APPROVAL. I got around to it eventually.

It is not only me who has the "responsibility to publish your comments" or anyone's, as I already explained to you. There are several of us entrusted with that. It just happened to be me you have been insulting and belittling, so I made some extra time to address your complaint.

I do NOT have time to sift through pages and pages of comments over a week's time, looking for everything you or anyone ever commented on.

To say "Please consider tempering the paranoia and your sarcasm, it is not becoming of anyone who is prolife" is not sarcastic, it was a genuine plea and if you could come down from your anger a bit and consider that that is how I meant it, genuinely, you perhaps will see this. I can't imagine that you really think that displaying sarcasm as you did and accusing another prolife person of censoring another IS becoming of a prolife person.

It's clear that all the above upsets you and that all that has happened with regards to your comments still "makes sense that [yours] were delayed" and that you "[WERE] being censored."

It's simply untrue, and that you insist on believing this vehemently is dumbfounding to me.

I suppose you may always believe that you have been treated unfairly and wrongly here if you want to, no matter how much it is untrue. Perhaps that's why you began and continue attacking me and falsely accusing me.

You just couldn't be more wrong though, and I hope, for everyone's sake, that you will see that.

I sometimes disengage from folks on either side of the fence when they are attacking, belittling and maligning of me and of those who would be persuaded by our love and compassion for them that they too can embrace (or return to) life-affirming, life-valuing ways.

[Compassion, from the Latin "Com- "paseo", "to suffer with."]

I'm disengaging now.

The other admin moderators will be moderating comment publication (or not).

I will not "read [your] article through [BECAUSE YOU ARE] posting [YOUR] negativity" in it by antagonizing some of those reading.

Gingi, I have long heard your "other side."

i never blame the woman. the world, our society, me and everybody else, i do blame. it is mass guilt. pro-life has come a long way, but they will never end it. at this point it is obsessive, compulsive, and addictive. that means you have lost your GOD given free will. and we always look for a scape goat. when JESUS comes, abortion will cease. that is the reason JESUS had to go to the cross so you could be saved. welcome to the american holocaust. hitler killed 6-10 million, stalin killed 12-20 million, but america has outclassed both of these amateurs. all of our murders were defenseless, innocent, and precious babies. am i being too absolute?

I am still unable to work out on what grounds the writer accuses pro-choicers of supporting child porn though. I think that's just standard practice in blog politics these days.

Because it is the truth. Planned Parenthood has been caught covering up statutory rape. Not on one occasion but several. Go to ChildPredators.com and if you want to see child porn go to Planned Parenthood's website for teens Teenwire.com. If that is not a porn site for teens I don't know what is. Just because they don't have pictures of naked men and women doesn't make it any less porn. So if you don't support these things, stop supporting Planned Parenthood because they do!




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