A number of organizations and bloggers have suggested that a vote for Barack Obama is a vote against Biblical principles, the Bible, God, Christians, the unborn, etc. Here's the latest:
Someone has to Say it ... Christians Who Vote for Obama are Voting Against the Word of God
So, what do you think? Is this a fair representation? I think my answer has been fairly clear: Obama's rejection of the God-given intrinsic dignity of human life is itself a rejection of God and reveals a horribly distorted view of justice that provides a basis for any number evils.
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I think that this is a very ignorant post not only because as a Christian I am offended by lies and misleading statements but because of all the people who should know from years of tyrrany and matyrdom that the Kingdom of God is here and not limited to to the imaginations of humans. I support Barack Obama because he has a good grasp on the pulse of our nation, the crises of our economics, and teh intellegence to make it happen. The fact that he professes Christ as Lord is great but that doesn't get my vote it has more to do with his comeptence. I find it itneresting that John McCain and Sarah Palin have spent many weeks lying on the stump and in comercials and even when every media outlet debunked the lie they continued with it. Now Christians want to claim that morally I am obligated to follow a liar and deciever. I am pro-life and voted for Bush twice on that issue, and more abortions happened under a republican president,senate, and congress than any of the years under clinton, I also disagree with gay marriage, interesting rather than read the lies of propaganda handed out at my church I read his book, hmmm and found out so is he. The constant refusal for Christians to accept whatever email they read with out fact checking is embarassing so please people of God wake up!
I don't agree with Obama on every issue, but to say that if you oppose McCain, you're anti-Christian is going too far. Christains have every right to vote for what they want. I don't believe in sucking up to Republicans or Democrats unconditionally at all.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian but supports a candidate who is adamantly pro-abortion, who has vowed to repeal the Hyde ammendment which protects taxpayer money from being used for abortions, and who promises to sign the freedom of choice act which allows minors to have abortions without parental consent, is either not a true believer or is lying to themselves to ease their conscience. Those who make excuses for voting for Obama are not much different than those Christian Germans who helped Hitler come to power.. Never mind the fact that the candidate doesn't see a whole class of people as human (Jews in Hitler's case, unborn children in Obama's case).. the faulty reasoning is similar in each instance, as Stephen above exemplifies with his statement, "I am supporting him because he has a good grasp on the pulse of our nation, the crises of our economics, and the intellegence to make it happen." Somehow this justifies or excuses the horrible anti-Christian, discriminatory, destructive ideals their candidate holds. It is a shame that Christians this election will vote to implement pro-abortion policies for many years to come by voting for Obama.
Frankly, most Christians who vote for Obama are doing so because they or their family have always voted D, or they have been overcome by emotion and peer pressure. The D party has been hollowed out and filled with pro-homosexual, pro-abortion activists - pure and simple. It is no longer the voice of honest, hard working blue collars. Take a hint from those who support the parties - immoral Hollywood supports Democrats, while the likes of Dr. Dobson and other Christian pillars support Republicans.
Senator Obama is very obviously, indeed aggressively, opposed to catholic social teaching on all of the issues the Church considers vital to society today, abortion, euthanasia, infanticide, assisted suicide, embryonic stem cell research and gay marriage (yes, he supports it covertly while saying he doesn't). These are issues about which the Church says if you are not able to accept the Church's teaching regarding them, you cannot be considered a Catholic, because they are so fundamental to social survival. On just about all other social issues there is room for disagreement. As a Roman Catholic, I have to ask myself, can such a man be good for our society? If he can, then my Church is not good for society. Its social teaching is hopelessly wrong and out of line with reality. Can that be? Or is it, as I believe, that the abortion and the other items above are detrimental to this (or any) society, and will eventually destroy us if not corrected?
Stephen, if "as a Christian [you are] offended by lies and misleading statements," then why are you not offended by all of Obama's lies and misleading statements?
As we've been showing you for the past 2 months here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, AND
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Obama has been lying to you and misleading you for MONTHS. Still is.
I am sorry to say it, Stephen, but you did throw this stone first: You are the one being "ignorant."
Obama's strong pro-choice record is hard to stomach, but we have to consider the entire life ethic and which candidate supports it the best (albeit imperfectly). You can read more about it in my new book, A Heaven-Backed Rebellion: Uncovering the Political Vision of Christian Liberals
There really has not been a worse candidate for the presidency in American history than Barack Obama. Yes, he declares state power over life and death in his avid and extreme pro-abortion position. He also declares state ownership of your life through specific socialistic policies which are (government) growth oriented and will usher in a new age of legalized theft and government control. You object? You're selfish! The state owns you're life!
The people want Messiah Obama - what they will get is a centralized government that will consume their lives and remove their freedoms.
Christians understand "the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel..." and the ten commandments includes "thou shalt not kill" and "thou shalt not steal".
By his rejection of the sanctity of human life Obama has declared war on the God of the scriptures.
Steve you are a typical narrow minded LIBERAL
idiot who does not know his facts. Also, you are
not a true Christian like you think. Just another
Disney Land Loving LIBERAL. You make me puke.
Don
Don,
How wonderful of you to be the gatekeeper for us, determining who is a Christian and who is not. How "Christian" of you.
plb,
Seems that your comments are a little harsh about Obama's views of abortion. It may help some to remember that the US constitution declares our rights to have an abortion. This alone suggests that Obama is not an extremist regarding this issue. He may not be "Right" but his views are hardly extreme.
You wrote: Christians understand "the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel..." and the ten commandments includes "thou shalt not kill" and "thou shalt not steal". By his rejection of the sanctity of human life Obama has declared war on the God of the scriptures.
Your comments MAY be true. As a thinking man I am sure that you have thought through the idea that the 10 commandments do not say thou shall not kill, "Unless you think it is justified, or unless you are doing it in war, or with the death penalty." I trust your vitreous protest has spewed forth equally against war and against capital punishment..or did you vote for Bush both times?
Cite one part of the Constitution that says abortion is ok. Obama is extreme on abortion since he agrees with banning the Hyde Amendment, bans of funding abortions internationally, and nearly all pro-life laws in America via the FOCA. That's extreme. Funny, how you cite war when you might support the war in Afghanistan. Obama supports the war in Afghanistan. In the Hebrew, Thou shall not kill means premediated murder in the Hebrew word of rastach. Also, the NT shows nothing in opposition to capital punishment unless you can find me one.
Stephen as I read the many comments I agree with you. I find Christians tend to just take certain comments as fact and don't search out the truth for themselves. I am a Obama supporter and a Christian but not only a Christian but a sinner that was saved by God's Everlasting grace. It's easy for people to claim "Christianity" but do we really live it out in our daily lives. I could say hateful things about Sarah Palin's daughter having sex outside of marriage but I won't because I know that Sarah Palin is an excellent mother & has brought up her daughter with excellent values & morals. I could also say things about Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter but I won't because no matter what that is his daughter and he loves her. As Christian's we tend to look at the BIG sins such as homosexuality and abortion and that is how we define Christianity. Christianity is much more than that it is also how we treat our fellow human beings. No matter who is elected President we should pray for them because God requires us to be in submission to our leaders. I am in shock at some of the comments that are posted because of different opinions.Wow how Christian is that. Vote prayerfully and with your conscious and you don't have to defend your choice with anyone. God Bless you !!
Timothy,
You are right. I misspoke/wrote. I meant to say that the "LAW" gives us the right to have an abortion. Sorry.....
You have clarified yourself nicely, and I have a better sense of why you think Obama's stance on abortion is "Extreme."
If we declare that the 10 commandments is referring only to "premeditated murder" I think we run into some problems because most of us likely believe that murder that is NOT premeditated is also wrong. But anyway, is capital punishment not premeditated? Is it not premeditated when our military contemplates where a missle will go, so that it kills some enemies, and maybe their children?
Will you stand firmly for "Thou shall not kill" or do YOU or decide which killing is right or wrong. Is it OK to break it into categories of right or wrong, or perhaps should Christians stand firmly for "Thou shall not kill" ?
Well , thanks for the clarification on the Constitution. In essence of the 10 commandments, you have to use context to decipher the meaning of the word. The words in kill means premediated murder in the original Hebrew.
There is no way around. Murder is the intentional murder of human life. Capital punishment is the punishment of a criminal via killing a person. All forms of killing isn't necessarily murder. For example, if I kill someone in self defense, that isn't premediated murder. If a child accidentially shots and kills another person, that isn't premediated murder. Like I said, I don't agree with any war, except for self defense.
Also, many liberals support the war in Afghanistan. It's hypocritical to criticize many Pro-Lifers who support the Iraq war (which I don't and I'm Pro-Life), then say nothing to liberals supporting the wars in Serbia and Afghanistan. Also, I don't agree with causually using missiles in murdering people at all. NOt all pro-life citizens are monolithic in their interpretation of conflict in dealing with warfare at all. Christians should stand for thou shalt not kill, but kill means murder in that instance. Killing in self defense is not murder at all. Also, some liberals should follow "Thou shalt not steal" in economic policy also. Additionally, many liberals need to take caution when Thou shalt not kill applies to Afghanistan and possible strikes in Pakistan. Barack Obama is right on some issues, but his abortion stance is very extreme. Evidence have validated that point real easily.
Timothy,
Are you saying that murder that is not "premeditated" does not fall under the commandment, Thou shall not kill" as in the example of a person killing someone in anger?
No. If someone (who is sane) is killing someone over anger in an unjustified way, that's wrong of course.
I take a lot of slack form my friends for not voting for obama,I just can't vote for a man who is that social,this is coming from some one who is african american. what
i think obama is the anti christ! its ovious because he wants peace to our world. and the bible says peace in the middle east, look for me! we are already living our last and evil days. revelations is already takin place rite now. but its up to us to be watchful and prayerful and read our word. its krazy how everything in the book of revelations is happening rite this minute. and this book was written so long ago. im not sayin obama is but the bible aint no lie to me at all and its almost time. i am 15 years old and theres no doubt in my mind that we have alot of time left to live before the rapture come. and its better to go wen jesus comes then wait seven years. because i also believe in mark of the beast!
Obama is not the anti-Christ. The anti-Christ will be much smarter and be more clever. With everything working to his benefit, he fooled only a small majority of voters.
If not for affirmative action Obama would be an ordinary man.
Well, you have to take into consideration evrything.
Do republicans care for the poor? NO
Are republicans for diplomacy? NO
Republicans are for War not peacr.
Reps are for pollution.
Republicans lack in many areas and so do democrats
democrats throw money at problems to solve hen!
They believe in big goverment!
THey can be waste full.
Abortionis most certinally not the most important issue.
I also find htis comment somewhat ignorant. Pro coice is not Pro Abortion. I am pro choice, want people to choose life but not make people have my views by making a law.
I'm not a Republican or Democrat, but even I know those statements are wrong.
Many Republicans care for the poor, but advance more free market solutions to help the poor. Tons of Republicans like Ron Paul are for diplomacy. Most Republicans hate pollution, but reject environmental extremism. Also, abortion destroys choice. Roe is a ruling that forces the abortion issue unto the American people. It shoves a certain view down the throats of Americans. Have views? The Constitution is the epitome of forcing morality down in America. There is nothing wrong with laws dealing with or are related with morality at all. If someone says, I'm morally opposed to slavery, but it fine for it to continue under certain circumstances, you're still pro-slavery. Therefore, the pro-choice definition is morally confusing.
Some are just plain ignorant.
In 2004 a group named Catalog for Philanthropy arranged the 50 US states in order of their charitable generosity.
http://www.catalogueforphilanthropy.org/cfp/db/generosity.php?year=2004
Someone else noticed that none of the states in the top half went for John Kerry. Every state that went for Kerry was below average.
Take a look at the states that switched from Republican to Dem this time and you'll find that they were Bush's least generous states. (There were a few exceptions. Arizona and Alaska stayed Rep. NC and FL went Dem this time. While they weren't at the bottom of Bush's states, NC and FL were in the lower half.)
If you want to find Republicans look in generous states. If you want to find Democrats look in cheap ones.
Tim, very good point.
I am Morraly apposed to nuclear warefare, but if a country was going to invade us us then I might be for a destruction of a country or city. It is circumstantial.