American Right to Life: Saving Children?

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I feel that this article should be posted in response to the recent ProLifeBlogs article calling the National Right to Life "Judas". I hope that the "other side" will be able to be presented now that ProLifeBlogs has decided to publish such an article in the first place.

Brian Rohrbough, president of the new pro-life organization American Right to Life has recently issued a "Media Advisory". As I suspected from the inception of this new organization, ARL is going to be spending a lot of time criticizing National Right to Life.

It's interesting to note, first of all, that when you go to the American Right to Life website you'll find many cross words with NRLC but little explaining the "better" way to be pro-life. NRLC is constantly denounced by ARL as being worse than pro-choicers themselves, but yet the solutions to the "failed" stratagem of NRLC is no where to be found on the ARL website.


Oh wait, unless you want to pay $15, that is. That's right: on the "Strategy" page which I eagerly clicked on in order to find out how ARL plans on ending abortion in twelve years very quickly blasts the "immoral" strategy of the National Right to Life and then tells us that we have to order a DVD in order to find out how we can stop being immoral. It's like those late night infomercials that promise us a way to earn one hundred-grand with minimal work...and we only need to buy a program to find out how!

I'm all for denouncing, by the way. Go ahead: attack the National Right to Life, call them baby-killing accomplices--but at the very least show us how to do things the right way without charging us money. It's for the children, after all.

ARL peeps seem to think that should Roe vs. Wade become overturned and the choices of abortion finally go back to the states, NRLC will simply cease to be an organization. Ah yes, come the glorious day of the repeal of Roe vs. Wade they'll brush off their hands, pack up their Washington DC office and go back home. ARL seems to think that the most important thing for the people at NRLC is to be all Libertarian about abortion and return power to the states, case closed.

And I'm not saying that National Right to Life is perfect--they aren't. But I fail to see how creating an organization that will, over time, raise thousands of dollars for the sole purpose of attacking National Right to Life helps anything. That's what American Right to Life is. Well, at least that's all I can tell that they do via their webpage without paying $15 for the "strategy" that will end abortion in 12 years.

While it certainly is possible that American Right to Life will pass some kind of personhood bill in some small, conservative state, the fact remains that it will have to make its way up to the Supreme Court. And such a bill will be struck down by the Supreme Court. This is the realistic reality right now. We must continue to pray for God to touch the hearts of the people of this wicked nation, and He surely will do so. But 1) He will not force morality into their hearts, 2) abortion is the root of a greater spiritual problem and 3) we should be doing what we can and be at least trying to save some of the children. This is a point that ARL refuses to address.

ARL would rather 1.5 million children all be slaughtered than save, say, half of them. They have the position that it is unacceptable for even one child to die (which is a correct position) and that no children should be saved unless they all can be saved (which is a morally reprehensible position).

The ultimate goal of the ARL is to pass a Personhood Amendment. These days an Amendment is very, very hard to pass, requiring three-fourths of the States to ratify it. Yes, if abortion ever becomes viewed as slavery is now viewed, it may be easier, but it should be noted that that's not how abortion is viewed. Should we go to war over the issue as we did with slavery? Maybe, but you'll have to order the DVD to find out!

Cross-posted to Nathan's blog and the pro-life community of LiveJournal. Contact Nathan at nathan@nathansheets.com.

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It pains me to see one pro-lifer pull the rug out from under the works of another. Let's not waste resources on infighting.

There must be a multi-pronged strategy. We need to think both/and. There is room for both NRTL and ARL efforts. Both are worthy works. Just like there must be room in our pool of resources for crisis pregnancy centers, TV/radio ads, legal/political stuff, etc. One does not under-cut the other. Even if you disagree with the logic of the other guy's strategy...trust that it is worthy...even if imperfect in your eyes. If you don't like it don't support it and just let if fail on its own...or languish until its time is ripe.

Tom: Sadly, you are mistaken. There really isn't room for both organizations' agendas unless you are willing to concede that there will be some in-fighting. On the one had, you will have ARL constantly complaining about NRLC, and on the other, if ARL actually does try to pass something, you very well could have NRLC (perhaps rightly) opposing it. For example: if ARL tries to pass a personhood amendment, NRLC will probably oppose it on the grounds that it would not stand up in the Supreme Court.

I have nothing to trust about ARL yet, as the only strategy I have seen so far is pointing fingers at NRLC and selling DVDs. (Actually they did, I believe, just make a movie about Romney's stance on abortion.)

Nathan, as the office manager for American RTL, I was asked on behalf of Brian Rohrbough to thank
you for your post. Your criticism was correct when you wrote:

NS: "when you go to the American Right to Life website you'll find many cross words with NRLC but little explaining the 'better' way to be pro-life. ...the solutions to the 'failed" stratagem of NRLC is no where to be found on the ARL website."

Our webmaster has now uploaded our positive strategy to that web page that you viewed. American RTL was launched in November after a Pro-life Summit at The Timbers in Colorado where thirty leaders from around the country met on Nov. 13 & 14th. We've set up office a half-block from the State Capitol downtown Denver; we're rolling out the organization; websites; logos; battle anthem; related 527 organizaiton (at ARTLAction.com and its Romney Fairytale ad that's garnered much nat'l coverage including on Fox and ABC News), etc., all rather quickly.

But again, this criticism of yours was valid, and we have responded to correct it. Finally, Brian Rohrbough offers you an invitation, if you would like to discuss pro-life strategy with him on air during a Denver radio program on the 50,000-watt AM 670 KLTT, please let us know and we'll be happy to work with your schedule to make that happen. You can reach me, Donna, at 1-888-888-ARTL.

Thanks Nathan!
-Donna for American Right To Life (.org)

Sorry Nathan, I am not so gullible. I am not mistaken. I have been in the movement since 1970. I grew up reading RTLNews cover to cover. I have seen again and again movement infighting and nothing good ever comes from it.

All I am saying is give peace a chance. Let ARL try its own stuff, sure right now it will probably fail. It will use up resources and distract many from your agenda, perhaps even set it back...perhaps not. Perhaps crushing them will do you more damage than good. If you really think it is a dangerous idea discuss it in private...not here. The rank and file pro-lifer just gets demoralized and you make yourself look bad.

ARL (the guys who started the negative campaign) should not be knocking you down. You do have a responsibility to defend your organization from attack, but please don't go negative on them.

Yo, ARL, drop your negative attacks from your website. If your idea is worthy and ready it will flourish on its own genius. Ultimately, you are right, however, if good seed falls on unprepared soil it will not flourish.

You should each consider the other organization as a "plan B" (pardon the pun). Movement growth throughout the culture is more important than anybody's organization.

Tom: They will both directly interfere with the efforts of each other by default. One believes in incrementalism, the other in standing on principle even if no progress is made legislatively. I gave a pretty clear example of this in my previous comment, which you brushed off by saying that you've been in the movement since 1970.

Also, National Right to Life is not "my organization". I like most pro-life groups and what they do and have worked with several. I love the Survivors, CBR and NRLC. The difference between these organizations as ARL is that they don't exist for the purpose of opposing the pro-lifers that are there.

My biggest problem was the fact that ARL had nothing substantial on their website, a problem which they've fixed. At least now we can begin discussing their goals. The only reason why I bothered posting this post here is because I was annoyed that ProLifeBlogs posted the original blog post by ARL calling National Right to Life "Judas". This post wasn't something I had planned on submitting--it was a response to ProLifeBlogs' surprising posting of "negative" material about another pro-life group on the front page.

Also, there's not a problem at all with being negative. My problem has nothing to do with ARL being "negative" as opposed to the substance of what they are saying. If someone (ARL) truly believes that someone is all but keeping abortion legal, I welcome them being negative. ARL's message is that NRLC has it all wrong and that they are acting immorally. How are they supposed to convey that in a positive way? I just didn't think that the "Judas" post should go unanswered.

If National Right to Life hadn't set itself up as "the pro-life authority" in national and state matters, and quelched attempts made by other pro-life groups, then there wouldn't be an American Right to Life. Whether it was sabotaging the human life amendment in Michigan, or putting out a brochure AGAINST Wisconsin Right to Life, they have been on the offensive against those pro-lifers entering the political fray that aren't under their control. They've had decades to stop abortion, and have failed. Why not let the "radicals" give it a try?

Perhaps the greatest statement on their website is this:

"Our charter gives the founding leaders (directors and officers) twelve years in which to end abortion in America. At that time, if they have not, they are required to turn over ARTL to an entirely new slate of leaders, their leadership coming to an end, either because they have succeeded, or failed."

Vegan: why hasn't NRLC ended abortion yet? Because there's this little thing called Roe vs. Wade that stops anyone save the SCOTUS from having any meaningful affect on abortion policy. NRLC doen't have some mysterious power to wave away Roe. We have to wait until come that day-which is coming-where we put restrictions on abortion. Until then NRLC are doing what they can in the legislative arena to save children's lives.

Do we really think after the fall of Roe we are going to be able to demand all abortions be banned? Long after Roe, we will still live in a culture where the first thing people think of when they hear about abortion is ''rape and incest.''

Nathan: Long after Roe, we will still live in a culture where the first thing people think of when they hear about abortion is ''rape and incest.''

Abortion started in 1967 in Colorado under this exact pretense by pro-aborts that opened this ugly Pandora's box. Now pro-lifers will maintain that abortion (see S. Dakota ban) has to be legal for "rape and incest." When pro-lifers adopt the strategy of their opponents something is terribly wrong. NRTL propagated this failed strategy. You cannot kill a child for the crimes of its father.

Shouldn't a different strategy be tried after 40 years or should the same plan be in use despite its obvious failures?

NRTL booted out some of its member chapters for questioning their strategy and support of pro-abort politicians.

Martha:

NRLC does not think that babies should be killed in cases of rape and incest. They just think that if such an exception is needed in order to pass a bill, they will add it in there.

As opposed to doing nothing and saving no one.

And this will not change after Roe vs. Wade. People who insist on not passing a bill with a rape and incest exception now (and thus pass...nothing!) will still be sitting there with the tremendous opportunity to save 99% of the children but yet choose not to. If that's the way you wanna do things, fine.

I'm all for changing the strategy. I just think it's laughable to criticize NRLC for not "getting rid of abortion" when Roe vs. Wade is still in effect. What are they supposed to do? While I'm all for the "education" approach, we cannot ignore the political.

Nathan, you know we've been blogger friends and associates a long time (your link has been on our Abortion Pundit blog I don't know how long, and I think it was Emily who first wrote about your blog many years ago on After Abortion). But you really should edit this post to modify and reflect the corrections made as described by the ARTL person above, and let us know if you will accept their offer to be on that radio show.

I believe that to resort to language like "ARL peeps" is also disrespectful.

I don't believe that all those involved with ARTL "seem to think that should Roe vs. Wade become overturned and the choices of abortion finally go back to the states, NRLC will simply cease to be an organization." To say that all who believe any of what ARTL stands is that naive, is to show one's own naivete or anger, or possibly both.

I do believe it is a hard choice to make, though: try to save some, or try to save them all, but end up saving none.

I've also posted a comment on the other thread this originated with, http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2007/12/the_legacy_of_j.php#comments

(typing too fast!!)

"To say that all who believe any of what ARTL stands ARE that naive, ..."

It's one thing to have a good faith disagreement about the best strategy to stop abortions. It's quite another to go on and on attacking other pro-life groups or people.

It doesn't matter who's right as long as abortion ends ASAP. I think we're all trying to get there.

I have no problem with ARTL advancing a different strategy to end abortions and, if it succeeds, more power to them. But this nonstop attack and claims that some groups or some people are not pro-life because they don't do it ARTL's way is pathetic and hurts the cause.

I await the way that ARTL and its backers can articulare a strategy to end abortion without ONE WORD about how other pro-life advocates are wrong or somehow not as good. Sadly, I don't imagine that day will ever come.

But you also have NRLC doing the exact same thing....trashing or trying to stop those who are attempting pro-life efforts that aren't on NRLC's agenda. At least ARTL is open and honest about it.

Annie B:

I am unable to edit my posts on here, as they are moderated. I did post an update here soon after the initial post. That's all I can really do, I think.

I will be tentatively appearing on the radio show this next week (I am not certain of the air date) assuming we get it pulled together and my voice stops sounding like a frog is caught in my throat:)

"Peeps" is not disrespectful. It's slang.

Hopefully I can address some of your other concerns about my apparent nativity come the day of the radio show.

Regards,

Nate Sheets

"Naivety", that is, not "nativity" ;)

Vegan is right. Both groups are attacking each other,not just one vs. the other.

Nate, disrespectful is in the eye of the one being described as much as in that of the one doing the describing. Please don't get your back up. We are all "on the same side" after all.

Unless someone is my friend, I would feel calling me someone else's peep is disrespectful. I already know it's hip-hop slang, but maybe my age (pushing 50) has something to do with what I perceived as the flippant tone of your using that reference.

And I knew you didn't mean nativity! 8^D

As for the statements about who's naive, you really did lay it on kind of thick and sound either rather upset or sarcastic when you yourself accused virtually all ARTL sympathizers/supporters of being naive in that whole paragraph:

"ARL peeps seem to think that should Roe vs. Wade become overturned and the choices of abortion finally go back to the states, NRLC will simply cease to be an organization. Ah yes, come the glorious day of the repeal of Roe vs. Wade they'll brush off their hands, pack up their Washington DC office and go back home. ARL seems to think that the most important thing for the people at NRLC is to be all Libertarian about abortion and return power to the states, case closed."

All I thought advisable was to not make such broad sweeping generalizations. I too have been guilty of letting my emotions color my words too much.

I'm not sure why you can't post comments here, do you have a typekey login? If so, they oughtn't be moderated, I wouldn't think.

I'll say it again, though, you really should edit this post to modify and reflect the corrections made as described by the ARTL person above, and let THE WORLD know that you've accepted their offer to be on that radio show.

I've found if you don't edit the original post, the misunderstandings and incorrect aspect get left out there in blogland as a legacy unnecessarily causing negative and/or incorrect perceptions and bad blood.

Not a lot of people go dig deep into the combox after the fact to find out if anything was retracted, corrected or modified. Some won't even visit the combox in the first place...

Nate, I'll look into why you can't edit your posts, is what I should have added...that should be changed if it's so. Moderation only applies to comments as far as I know, not to contributors' posts...

Nate, I think I see the problem: you must have sent this post to one of the co-contributors (anonymous, who I have no idea who that is), and that person posted it for you. I'd email him/her again and ask to have your correction put up even just as an addendum to the original. In the interest of the integrity of this site and of your personal forthrightness, anonymous, I expect, would do that...

Annie: I sent it via the "Submit an Article" link on the sidebar. Considering I've sent numerous e-mails to this site's mod before with no response, I'm not keen to try again. Updates are available at my website.

Nate, numerous emails to this site's mod for this issue, or for others, and for how long? Months, weeks, years? The mod for this site just went through a major physical move to another city and state and you might want to consider cutting him/her some slack perhaps. This is no small site to manage.

I still think that leaving it unmodified here, and requiring readers to go to your website, is unhelpful at best and misleading and could-be-perceived-as-self-traffic-driving at worst. Please send me your mods to the post and **I** will edit it. (I have co- administrator's rights). If you don't think it worthy to update here, then perhaps it would be better to take the whole original post down. Don't leave it unfinished here, please.


The fact is ARTL is comprised of a group of people who have axes to grind. In a series of quick, well-planned maneuvers (otherwise known as publicity stunts) they have caused a rift in the pro-life movement across the country, all for the purposes of garnering attention to themselves. In bombastic fashion, they have attacked Christian leaders, stabbed many good people in the back, and spoken ill of anyone who dares to challenge them.

According to their lying, hypocritical leader, Bob Enyart, anybody who disagrees with him is called "evil" or given some other malevolent label. This profiteering snake is simply out to make a buck off the cheap tricks and garbage he sells as products to support his radio program. He has taught his minions to twist the truth on everything (like they do with the Supreme Court decision regarding the ban on PBA) in order to justify their wholly un-Christian tactics. Woe to you, hypocrites! You should all be ashamed.




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