I will refrain from calling anyone names. ...sort of
Those who love Fidel Castro and have supported communists around the world are responsible for the death of a living, breathing woman named Terri Schindler Schiavo.
Remember Elian Gonzales? His mother died trying to escape tyranny while bringing her son to a world of freedom, or so she thought. Her grave was spat on by our former President Clinton who believed the boy should be returned to the land where librarians disappear or are arrested, a land where freedoms do not exist unless you praise the dictatorship of Fidel Castro.
President Clinton sent in troops with guns drawn and loaded to "rescue" the poor child from his family in Florida. Elian was then sent off to be brainwashed in communist Cuba.
The opposite of this?
The opposite of this would be the intentional starvation of a poor woman named Terri Schindler Schiavo. Terri could have been released to her parents and brother, but no, the party of death saw fit to condemn her to a worse fate than a murdering pedophile, who would likely get life in prison.
President Bush, his brother in Florida and congress all pretended to help her, but in the end they turned their backs on this poor woman and let her die. I can hear them now saying "I wash my hands of this".
An innocent woman, condemned to die, all under the premise (lies) of wanting to obey her wishes.
At least President Clinton had the balls to send in the troops when he thought he was doing the right thing.
Funny, I thought it would be the other way around.
Uh... what?
I can understand if your point is that those who supported sending Elian back to Cuba but opposed saving Terri are hypocritical.
But... Terri murdered by those who love Communism? No, Terri was murdered by those who disrespect human life. Granted, that may include Communists, but plenty of people who aren't Communists supported dehydrating an innocent brain damaged woman to death.
What is liberalism capable of? Read this and you tell me:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45785
Why did Hollyweird make a movie about Kinsey? Why didn't they point out that the hero of liberalism & sexuality was responsible for "how Kinsey actually encouraged serial pedophiles to abuse young children so he could tabulate the "data" showing the "sexual responses" of children as young as a few months of age"?
Another thing, you won't find many, if any, conservatives who support Castro or any other totalitarian regeme. On the other hand, Belefonte', Streisand & 99% of Hollywood kiss up to almost every terrorist on the planet.
How many times have I heard a politician or individual from certain political persuation make a comparison between George Bush and Adolph Hitler? How many times have they run ads, like the ones before the last two presidential elections, which made Bush out to be a racist?
What about the "Red Scare" years? Many people said that McCarthy was on a "witch-hunt" & that there weren't any communists. When the Venona papers came out we found that communists had indeed infiltrated our United States government & that Joseph McCarthy was right!
The Rosenberg spies were convicted and executed for giving nuclear secrets to the Russians weren't they?
Here's some more info for you:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1038294/posts
Okay, enough of this. I need to spend more time saving babies. :)
Go to any web site & search for the voting records of Dems vs Reps. You will find that 95% of the time Dems vote for abortion & birth control & 95% of the time Reps vote against it. Who do you think is doing all the abstinence education? Who is paying for & staffing the clinics for pregnant women?
So on & so on.
Jesus says love everyone. That doesn't mean I have to agree with everyone or refrain from pointing out political differences when I see them.
Who (what party) is the "culture of death"? Ask any Pro-Lifer & I think you'll get the same answer.
What party supports abortion, birth control, appeasement of totalitarian regimes and euthenasia?
Can we generalize things like this?
How can we not?
I know. I agree with you, for the most part. However, the condemnation of all Democrats because of the actions of their leaders, or the condemnation all liberals because of the actions of the majority of people who consider themselves liberal may splinter the pro-life movement.
I join you in your frustration when I see pro-life Democrats voting for rabidly pro-abortion candidates since they feel that the Democrat candidates better represent them on economic policy, or something. I'm not shy about the fact that I usually vote for Republicans. But when I'm given a choice between a pro-abortion Republican and a pro-abortion Democrat, to me it's simple to decide who to vote for - the third party pro-life candidate. Are pro-life Democrats equally committed to the cause?
To be honest, if the rhetoric on their websites is any indication, no, they are not. Many pro-life Democrats seem to think that if you just teach all 12 year olds how to use condoms and make sure every 12+ year old boy has plenty of them in his pocket and every 12+ year old girl takes her birth control pill every day, then we can greatly reduce the number of abortions! Pure nonsense.
The only way to reduce abortion dramatically is to overturn Roe v. Wade and force the abortionists to have a real debate with us as every state decides for itself what abortion laws it will have. They have been hiding from this debate, because they know that it is a debate that they will lose. The only way to overturn Roe v. Wade - which should be the current goal of all pro-lifers - is to put more originalist or pro-life Justices on the Supreme Court. And how is that accomplished? By having a majority originalist/pro-life Senate, and an originalist/pro-life President. That's all there is to it.
Agreed, RINOs aren't interested in ending abortion and they give Republicans a bad name. I too would vote for a 3rd candidate who is Pro-Life.
I believe not only must we overturn Roe v. Wade, but it should not be turned back to the states. If they pass HR552 we will be done with this now & forever.
http://www.marchtogether.com/hr552RightToLifeBill.htm
I would rather not turn this back to the states & fight 50 separate battles of Life.
Fine, as long as our elected representatives decide the issue, and not unelected, unaccountable judges. For this reason I would not want the Supreme Court to rule that abortion is illegal. In my view, the best case scenario is that Roe is overturned, a REAL debate happens, and enough people are convinced to eventually pass a pro-life Amendment through Congress (or all 50 State Legislatures individually).
That's really the big problem now, in my opinion. The pro-aborts will not let a debate happen. Whenever their arguments are defeated, they simply fall back on "Abortion is legal", as if legality means that it's OK. But if it's not legal, or if the legality of abortion is threatened (only possible with Roe gone), then they will be forced to have a real discussion.
Wow. This was just plain nuts. Provided you have the balls to print a negative comment - I believe you've gone totally around the bend on this one.
Even brain-dead and with - remember - a liquified cerebral cortex, Terri could have put together a more well-reasoned argument. And I really wish her parents would STFU.
"Another thing, you won't find many, if any, conservatives who support Castro or any other totalitarian regeme."
Bwahahahah! Thanks! I needed that laugh......
let's play a little name association and see how you respond:
Reagan - Saddam
Bush Sr - Noriega, Saddam (until he got tired of them)
Bush Jr - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
No, you're right. Conservative leaders NEVER support totalitarian regimes.
"Even brain-dead and with - remember - a liquified cerebral cortex, Terri could have put together a more well-reasoned argument"
So you are admitting she was able to think? Wow, I'd hate to be your relative!
You think her parents should STFU? Why? I thought you folks believed in freedom of speech? Don't they have a right to speak out against the murder of their innocent daughter?
all these regimes that you have mentioned, our government has supported at one time or another. The bush family has personally been associated with the Saudi government for years.
But, I have another question.
Who will pay for all the babies that will be born if abortion is outlawed?
Who will pay to keep everyone alive for years and years?
ANd how do you explain bush,as governor signing a bill that allowed hospitals to allow patients to die, over the objection of their families if the staff felt they could do no more for them. Now mind you, the families had 10 days to find another institution for the patient.
He was pandering to the right wing with terri schiavo. It was obvious that he does not care for poor sick people as evidenced by the above signed bill and the recent Medicare cuts he signed for the poor and elderly
RE:
"let's play a little name association and see how you respond:
Reagan - Saddam
Bush Sr - Noriega, Saddam (until he got tired of them)
Bush Jr - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia"
I love how you cherry picked Republican presidents. Wasn't Clinton in power during the reign of Saddam...how about Carter? Saudi Arabia? What, are they the Republican country?
All politicians play the games, but I believe recent history shows that appeasement comes more from one party than the other.
Who was it who stood up to the Russians? Reagan
Who was it who stood up to Noriega? Bush
Who stood up to Saddam? Bush
Who stood up to the Taliban? Bush
Who ran from the Somalia warlords? Clinton
Who bombed Saddam (operation desert fox) because of his non-compliance with the weapons inspectors, and because of his supposed threat against humanity? Clinton
Who then said there was no reason to go to war with Saddam? Clinton
Hostages taken in Lebanon? Carter
Hostages rescued by? Reagan
Who restored Kuwait? Bush
Who got us into Vietnam? Kennedy (Democrats)
Who forced us to leave & caused the death of over 1 million cambodians & others? Democrats
Who killed 10s of millions in China through starvation & more? Mao. Who carried Maos red book? Liberals
What American company did business with Hitler & openly supported him? Ford
On & on it goes.
RE: "ALL THESE REGIMES"
"Who will pay for all the babies that will be born if abortion is outlawed?"
Spoken like a true "culture of death" person.
"Who will pay to keep everyone alive for years and years?"
Why do you push for Government provided health care & then don't want people to live?
Just to correct a few points above:
Kennady stood up to the real Russians threat. Reagan bankrolled what became the Taliban to fight them by proxy, which was the origin of most of our problems today.
Johnson started Vietnam, and at least the party didn't continue to support him because of it. Nixon didn't exactly make the situation better.
Interesting how those hostages were released the moment Reagan won the election. There couldn't have been any behind the scenes deals to make that happen, could there?
And how can you bring up Nazi Money without mentioning Prescott Bush?
Now, as for Schaivo, here's the thing; this went on for 15 years as a result of medical malpractice, and bulemia. For 15 years, they tried anything and everything to get her to come out of the state that she was in. Nothing worked, because her brain had compacted, and her cerebral cortex became jello.
Tragic, yes. 16 years ago(now) when it first happened.
Not 1 month before the scheduled removal of the plug, when the "culture of life" decided to exploit this tragedy to push their agenda. This was spear-headed by a man who actually said that this issue was a blessing from god for the Republican Party. The same man who, when faced with a similar choice, pulled the plug on his father.
Now, I will say that Terri's family should have been allowed to care for her, and bankrupt themselves in the process if they were willing to do so. If they wanted to continue to delude themselves into believing that she would be miraculously cured, let them pay for it.
But I find it disgusting that everyone who didn't care about this for years until it was time to jump on the bandwagon feels that they can personally speak for Terri Schaivo, and pass judgement on her husband. Considering the forensic evidence shows that the damage was irreperable, isn't it time to give it up?
Hey, if euthenasia was legal, maybe she would have gone painlessly instead of starving to death. But take comfort in the fact that she didn't suffer. Her brain couldn't process the pain.
Peter: How you read into what I wrote that I thought Terri could think gives me a pretty good idea of your comprehension skills. Good luck with the quote from The Canton Times below:
After removal of Schiavo's feeding tube and her death about two weeks later, the autopsy showed her condition was worse than the most pessimistic diagnoses. Her brain was half its normal size, the damage was irreversible, and she was blind. Now Schiavo has in death the dignity that the traveling circus of politicians, television preachers, hyperventilating pundits and assorted hangers-on denied her in the final days of her life. But no one should believe there will never be another Schiavo case. The religious-political complex will one day insist upon it.
Oh, and don't feel sorry for my relatives. They know I'd never put them through the horror and indignity that Terri's parents, the media and publicity sucking polticians put her through. Get a grip, godbag.
Kennedy did not "stand up to the real Russian threat", he capitulated to them & removed our missles from Turkey in exchange for them removing theirs from Cuba.
Kennedy sent the first troops into Vietnam.
And the rest, not enough time to challenge the culture of death. So it goes.
This is ridiculous. Everybody knows that a lot of the more radical liberals actively support Communism and Communist dictators. Just look at any 'anti-war' or 'pro-choice' protest and you'll see USSR flags, Marxist propaganda, and images of Che Guevara.
As for all of the lies being thrown around about Terri Schiavo, I really can't blame you people for lying about her. If you admitted the truth, that Terri was severely brain damaged as opposed to brain dead and could have regained some basic function (such as the ability to eat) with therapy which her loving husband denied her, you probably wouldn't be able to live with yourselves.
What you call capitulation, I call avoiding a Nuclear war. It doesn't have the same aesthetic machismo as a military strike that you armchair war-hawks love so much, but what was the alternative?
I don't really see what the facination with JFK was honestly, but I'll give him this, it took a lot of courage for him to solve the situation rationally instead of listening to everyone who was screaming "Invade, NOW!!"
The Terri thing really isn't worth arguing about, I'm just amazed that you "culture of lifers" are still on it. Seriously though, why is it that the culture of life seems to focus only on fetus's and the terminally ill? If you want to promote a culture of life, there are plenty of issues you could tackle regarding those who are already alive. This is sensationalist B.S.
Historians make it out as if Kennedy looked the Russians in the eye & they "blinked". It is an example of left-wing indoctrination which continues in our schools to this day. Fortunately for America we have the Internet and radio which allows us to get the truth out despiste the worst intentions of the MSM.
Cuba today is a communist dictatorship is it not? Many people have dissapeared under Castro's reign of terror. His opponents are jailed or killed. This is exactly what I mean about liberals. You will support a terrorist dictator like him until the day he dies, and then later, you will make him out to be a hero, like Che Guevara. Wikipedia does a 15 page schmooze job on him & follows it with a few paragraphs with challenges by "critics".
As far as the "Culture of Life" is concerened...who are the ones who want to care for the terminally ill and not kill them? Who are the ones who pay for and build facilities for pregnant women? Who are the ones who help women give up their children for adoption in a caring and loving way? Who are the ones who pay for ultra sounds, clothes, housing and more?
That would be the evil group of people known as the "anti-choice" crowd.
The pro-abortion, pro-euthenasia crowd only wants death, & you want us to pay for that too!
Why do you think we are the ones called "Pro-Life"? That would make you pro-.....?
Come on, you know what goes in the blank. What's the opposite of life?
You didn't need that hint did you?
I don't mind at all that you folks call your selves pro-choice & call us anti-choice. Your choice is to kill human beings, our choice is to let them live. You make us look good. :)
Now let me see if I got this straight. You're gonna somehow compare communism to a brain dead woman. What in the hell are you smoking? Can I have some?
Look, if you oppose the Schiavo thing, which you obviously do, that's fine. I honestly think that this should have been the choice of her parents since they were truly BLOOD relatives. Who knows what the husbands true intentions were. Apply skepticism and theories here.
But seriously, leave communism out of this. It has absolutely nothing to do with this. No you nitwit I am not a communist, but you're just spouting out some really irrelevant crap here. But then again you're probably some right-wing bible thumping freak anyways so this is the kind of bs rhetoric we should expect. I bet you coined your thinking style from Bill O'Reilly too...
As for all of the lies being thrown around about Terri Schiavo, I really can't blame you people for lying about her. If you admitted the truth, that Terri was severely brain damaged as opposed to brain dead and could have regained some basic function (such as the ability to eat) with therapy which her loving husband denied her, you probably wouldn't be able to live with yourselves.
Damn, you're dense. Her husband provided her with intense therapy until it became quite obvious it was not going to make any difference. What about liquified cortex do you not understand? Were you home-schooled and mommy left out biology? She was not "eating" with the feeding tube; she was being provided basic liquid nutrients through a tube. This is not "eating." No matter what the insane and obviously inept Dr. Bill Frist could have "diagnosed" about her from viewing her on that videotape, she was never going to get up out of bed and dance out of there. She never said "I want to live" right before she peacefully died.
Those people that prolonged this poor woman's "life" beyond all compassion, including her nutcase mouthpiece parents, should be ashamed.
Notice how many of you libs toss out the "I'm so much smarter than you" bit?
As for the guy who says I'm smoking something...aren't you the ones trying to make it legal?
Why should I leave communism out of this? You folks behave like communists & want to turn America into a communist country. Something along the lines of China with their one-child policy. You have already started the program of selective breeding in the United States too.
Let's sum this all up, you support:
Abortion - killing human beings
Euthanasia - killing human beings
IVF - killing human beings
Selective breeding - killing human beings
Embryonic stem cell research - killing human beings
Contraception - killing human beings
Whose lives do you want to save? Convicted murderers.
Your compassion overwhelms me.
What have I left out? Oh well, that's enough to prove my point. You want to prevent overpopulation, have sex & prevent babies from being born, use human beings as guinea pigs, stop "defective" people from being born and save people by killing them when they're old or infirmed.
You folks are scary.
Liberal indoctrination in the school? That's debatable. Could be because the concept of education is liberal in nature. The presentation of subject matter is a different story, and most of it is so blatantly pro-America at the expense of facts, such as the story above. The only thing making it "liberal" is the fact that JFK is regarded as the great liberal champion. There were a lot of concessions made on both sides due to the fact that both realised how stupid a Nuclear war would be.
I second the notion of God Bless the Internet, it helps balance out the spin cycle occuring on both sides, especially considering that the only real "Liberal Media" is the Daily Show, Adult Swim, and The Simpsons. All entertainment programming by the way.
Really don't get the Cuba analogy as it applies to this. It's a reach at best. I acknowledge that Cuba has a lot of problems due to the totalitarian nature of Castro's government and the fundimental flaws in Communism(Actually in human nature, Communism as a theory is fundimentaly sound, but it doesn't pass the human test.) But I also acknowledge that the United States really has no room to talk about human rights violations anymore. I also acknowledge that Castro's revolution was a populist revolution is response to Bautista, a U.S. Backed Military Dictator, and that most first generation cuban immigrants were the ones who were living fat off of him when he was committing attrocities that we turned a blind eye towards. Frankly, considering that we support and openly trade with many nations WAY more oppressive then Fidel's Cuba, this embargo is rediculous. The only reason that Cuba gets singled out is because they're openly Communist, and anti-Communism is repeatedly drilled into the American conciousness as part of the "liberal bias in the education system."
The whole culture of death theory is the most self-righteous thing I've ever heard. To put it in perspective, do you support the war? If so, where's the outrage when a big bomb is dropped on a civilian population that kills a bunch of kids and pregnant women?
I think the only reason the culture of life gets applied to fetus's and braindead people on life support is because they can't talk.
And by the way, Terri wasn't murdered, she died due to the inability to feed herself. She only lived for 15 years because she was kept on life support at the request of her family trying anything to get her to wake up. At some point, you throw in the towel.
"the only real "Liberal Media" is the Daily Show, Adult Swim, and The Simpsons"
CNN, USA Today, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC are all liberal media who toss out 1 or 2 conservatives so that they can pretend they are fair & balanced. Even Fox ran more negative pieces than positive ones against President Bush during the last election.
Who are the conservatives?
Sean Hannity - Of course he has to be "balanced" with Alan
Brit Hume - balanced with a plethora of liberals
Fred Barnes - balanced with Mort
On & on
Don't even think of saying O'Reilly is a conservative. He is a card carrying Libertarian & proud of it.
Almost every single show on the MSM is hosted by a liberal & they control most of the newspapers as well. Talk about denial. Oh, that's a river in Egypt right?
"The presentation of subject matter is a different story, and most of it is so blatantly pro-America at the expense of facts."
Yeah, that's why my son doesn't know what an Indian is. He refers to them as "Native Americans". What is an African American anyway? Just because a person is black they are called "African Americans". What about Jamaicans? Talk about confusing our children for the sake of political correctness. They learn that Columbus was a murderer, that Christians are murderers, that America is a Democracy & soo much other nonsense it's hard to believe! Then there's this thing called "evolution" that is still just a theory, but it is taught as fact. School teams have to change their names. No longer allowed, Warriors, Chiefs and so on.
"Could be because the concept of education is liberal in nature."
You libs love to pat yourselves on the back every chance you can. Y'all think you're such intellectuals & the rest of us Christian Republicans are just kav men and dum hiks.
The funny part is that you have been so indoctrinated to believe what you believe that you don't understand what indoctrination is. :)
what planet are you people living on?
"Damn, you're dense."
Well, I guess the gloves are off now, aren't they?
"Her husband provided her with intense therapy until it became quite obvious it was not going to make any difference."
You mean until he got his hands on her money from the malpractice suit. That's about the time that he decided that Terri's therapy was a waste, and also when he magically remembered that she didn't want to live as he said for several years. No, she wanted to die! That's what she wanted all along! Of course you pro-death people swallowed such obvious nonsense without a second thought, as it supported your anti-life agenda.
"What about liquified cortex do you not understand?"
What about brain damaged, not brain dead do you not understand?
"Were you home-schooled and mommy left out biology?"
Hey, you're the one who doesn't know the difference between brain damaged and brain dead. I suggest you stay away from your nearest head injury clinic, since you'll probably try to 'unplug' all of the patients there. Unless, of course, you already reside within one.
"She was not "eating" with the feeding tube; she was being provided basic liquid nutrients through a tube. This is not "eating.""
Does somebody have a reading comprehension problem? I said that Terri "could have regained some basic function (such as the ability to eat) with therapy". I didn't say that she was eating; I said that she could have regained the ability to eat with therapy which was denied her, AS SEVERAL OF HER NURSES TESTIFIED. And, of course, if she had been able to eat, the entire justification for killing her ('she wouldn't want to live on machines') would have gone out the window. All that would have been left would have been your pro-death ideology, which is shared by Michael Schiavo and his grotesque lawyer George Felos.
"No matter what the insane and obviously inept Dr. Bill Frist could have "diagnosed" about her from viewing her on that videotape,"
Gee, is somebody mindlessly partisan? All Frist said was that the woman he saw in the tape did not appear to be in a PVS. And hey, guess what? We don't know for sure if Terri really was PVS or not. You killed her without having all of the facts because your philosophy of death clouded your judgement. Way to go, genius.
"she was never going to get up out of bed and dance out of there."
Nobody said that she would. Keep on knocking over those straw men, though.
"She never said "I want to live" right before she peacefully died."
Yeah, she said "I want...". Peaceful death, huh? So you were in the room with her? There are opposing eyewitness accounts about exactly how 'peaceful' her death was. I see that you - surprise! - mindlessly accept pro-death activist George Felos' account.
"Those people that prolonged this poor woman's "life" beyond all compassion, including her nutcase mouthpiece parents, should be ashamed."
Yes, please show us how you don't really give a damn about Terri's family. I want you pro-death people to be honest. Don't hide like cowards as you usually do, pretending to be compassionate creatures when what you really desire is to kill people who you have decided do not deserve to live. Be honest, for once in your miserable lives.
PETER, YOU, JWL, AND ALL YOUR ILK IS EXACTLY WHATS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY. SERIOUSLY. YOU REGURGITATE SO MUCH LAUGHABLE PROPAGANDA ITS RIDICULOUS. DENSE DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE IT. TERRY SCHAIVO IS GONE....YOUR INVISIBLE CLOUD BEING IN THE SKY HAS TAKEN HER HOME...SO GET A CLUE, GET A GRIP, AND MOSTLY, GET EDUCATED. PLEASE. YOU'RE AN IDIOT LIVING IN DENIAL OF BEING AN IDIOT. 'NUFF SAID. NEXT CASE?
Get educated? Me and mah "ILK" say it's "what's" not whats, and her name is Terri Schiavo not Schaivo.
At least the propaganda we "regurgitate" is in defense of human life, unlike the "culture of death" propaganda, like:
> Woman's right to choose
> Population control
> It's better for the defective child to die
> She/he might just grow up with horrible foster parents anyway.
> People want euthanasia because they want to die with dignity
"PETER, YOU, JWL, AND ALL YOUR ILK IS EXACTLY WHATS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY."
This from someone who doesn't seem to be able to operate a Caps Lock. Oh, the irony.
"SERIOUSLY."
Whoa... seriously, even? Like, totally!
"YOU REGURGITATE SO MUCH LAUGHABLE PROPAGANDA ITS RIDICULOUS."
Perhaps you can cite a single example of 'laughable propaganda' which I've regurgitated. After all, I've regurgitated so much of it, right?
"DENSE DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE IT."
Do you typically engage in mindless ad hominem attacks without bothering to back up anything that you say?
"TERRY SCHAIVO IS GONE...."
Who is "Terry Schaivo"? Do you mean Terri Schiavo?
"YOUR INVISIBLE CLOUD BEING IN THE SKY HAS TAKEN HER HOME..."
It's always funny when a pro-death God-hater tries to talk about something religious. "Invisible cloud being"... that's rich!
"SO GET A CLUE, GET A GRIP, AND MOSTLY, GET EDUCATED. PLEASE. YOU'RE AN IDIOT LIVING IN DENIAL OF BEING AN IDIOT."
I thought you were talking to the two of us. You say "You're an idiot" instead of "You both are idiots." (Or, actually, from your punctuation, "You three are idiots", since you addressed 'Peter, You, and JWL') Does that mean only one of us is an idiot, or do you have a problem with the english language?
Get educated, indeed.
"'NUFF SAID. NEXT CASE?"
Wow, you told us! Haha!