In responding to "Roe v. Wade Overturned!" a reader commented that abortions are fewer in countries where they are legal.
RE: "Interestingly, abortions are fewer in countries where it is legal."
What's more interesting is that the article you cite does not have one single statistic on abortion.
RE: "Latin America has some of the world's most stringent abortion laws, yet it still has the developing world's highest rate of abortions — a rate far higher even than in Western Europe, where abortion is widely and legally available."
I'm supposed to believe this comment just because the person made it? How about this one then, "I'm the most intelligent person in the world"? Does it make it so because I said it?
Abortion is legal in the Ukraine. In the Ukraine there were 719,213 live births and 1,130,115 abortions in 1970. That was a ratio of 1571. In 2000 there were 385,126 live births and 434,223 abortions. Even though abortions went down to almost a third over a period of 30 years, the ratio remains high at 1,127. Notice that means there are significantly less people being born then are being aborted.
You can't prove statistics from countries who don't have legal abortion, but you can see that the countries where it is legal have extremely high abortion rates.
RE: "If you truly were pro-life, you'd help people reduce the need for abortion, not abolish it entirely."
I don't need to prove my "Pro-Life" status to anyone. Unborn children deserve to live.
Period
You do not have the right to kill any child just because you feel like it or for whatever other reason you want to justify making yourself God for the day.
RE: "Add to this the fact that Republican states in the US have higher rates of crime, divorce etc. and you have evidence that conservative social policies do the opposite of what they purport to do."
You must be a hoot in debates. Never a fact, always an opinion.
Are you suggesting that abortions lower crime rates? I don't think that is the case.
Which states have the most abortions?
Here's a map for you to look at:
Notice the number 1 state with the highest abortions - California of course. I believe they voted Democrat last time didn't they?
Here, check for yourself:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/scorecard/
I think you will find that most states that voted Democrat are the states with the highest abortion rates. New York City, home of Senator Hillary Clinton has an abortion rate of 767 per 1000!!!
Let's get back to the main point about abortion. Abortion kills an innocent unborn human being. For what? How are you going to justify killing that person?
Poverty?
Population control?
Better job?
Want to party/travel without children?
Selfishness?
Where has humanity gone if that is what we have come to?
For those of you who know that abortion is wrong, unite with us one a month on the first Friday in the Monthly Call for Life at MarchTogether.com. We email, call and/or march to let our representatives know it is time to end abortion.
United we stand - Divided they die - Pass it on
Someone is obviously listening to propaganda and either not believing or not checking out the evidence. One point is the crime level in Republican States v. the crime level in Democrat states. I have no ideal whether that is true since I have no ideal whom would keep those statistics. What I do know is that places the hypothesis in doubt is that cities that have a liberal voting record have on average twice the violent crime rate as those with conservative voting records
The Bay Area Center for Voting Research ranked cities by most liberal and most conservative. I compared the violent crime rates of the 25 most liberal to the violent crime rates of the 25 most conservative using the arearconnect.com statistics for crime and population. I found liberal cities have significantly lower rates of marriage and higher rates of violent crime than conservatives though there is a midpoint crossover of the two. I welcome anyone to run the same comparison.
If you think of it makes since. This is since we know for starters that domestic abuse and all forms of child abuse including abortion are higher outside of marriage. We also know children of divorce are more likely to commit crimes. Combine these with the fact that liberals encourage sex outside of marriage and no fault divorce and you have an increasingly higher violent crime rate as the marriage rate decreases
Abortion is a woman's fundamental human right.
Women are entitled to control their own bodies. They are entitled to make the moral decisions involved in any decision about their own person.
Abortion rights are extremely important for the future of societies concerned about raising wanted children in a caring, compassionate, equal and free environment.
No law should be passed restricting a women's right to control her own fertility and make her own decisions about her own life. No religion or creed has any right to bully, coerce, intimidate or smear women. If men had wombs, abortion would be a sacrament endorsed by the pope.
bruce elniski
RE: Fundamental Right:
Why people believe that killing an unborn person can be a good thing is beyond me. Nobody has the "right" to kill someone using "raising wanted children" as a reason.
"Every child a wanted child" and "safe legal and rare" shows the inhumanity of the Democrat party and their sponsors. They acknowledge the killing of a human being, and like children, they give us excuses why it would be practical, cost effective or humane.
In reference to "if men had wombs", why do you think men support abortion as it is? Many cowardly men don't stand up to the evil of abortion because they want an "out", and abortion is it.
Teaching our children that killing their children, siblings or other humans is a good thing under duress, convenience or compassion will only teach them to develop a lack of compassion for humanity as a whole. This is the goal of those who believe we are nothing more than animals, not God's Children, killing God's Children.
Abortion is not killing anything but an unviable fetus. A fetus is not a person until it is fully developed and born. Once it is born, then it is a person.
At what point does life begin? About 4 billion years ago! Life is a continuum from the first forms of life to the infinite future.
Abortion is being used as a way to attack women, plain and simple by trying to punish and control them because they were born female.
The anti-abortion movement is mostly run and controlled and financed by male-cominated organizations unhappy that women now have equal rights and freedoms. The attitude of anti-abortionist is much like the attitude of a slave owner to his slaves.
bruce elniski